F.D.A. Snipers to Kill 600 Deer in Delaware

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  1. Mr Jody Hudson

    Mr Jody Hudson

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    Our Department of Natural Resources under Greg Moore, will soon have several professional FDA Snipers with rifles (rifle hunting for deer is not legal in Delaware), silencers, (illegal in Delaware) night vision, spot lights, etc. and they will be pay these Snipers $100 per deer to kill the deer. Six Hundred Deer are scheduled to be killed by Snipers from the Federal Department of Agriculture.

    Mr. Moore has made it very clear that this is NOT a hunt and that it is OK for all the otherwise illegal methods to be used as this is not a hunt.

    When asked why not just lengthen the season for Delaware Hunters, that was deemed not an option.

    Have any of you heard of any such thing or something similar?

    WGMD Radio; DAN GAFFNEY MORNING SHOW From Tue, 11-22-05


    Go Here and click on Greg Moore Audio Link from local WGMD Radio program this morning.

    There is a follow up segment too:
    Segment 1. Greg Moore from the Division of Fish and Wildlife (15.2mb)

    Segment 2. Deer Reaction with State Representative Joe Booth and others (21.1mb)
     
  2. iiibbb

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    my god... that radio program is a riot....
     

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    I've listened to the whole thing... This guy is an idiot... after all that he declares it a 'sham' and 'bad science'.

    And much of the general public is completely stupid...
     
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    Notes from the show; Segment One with Wildlife Manager:

    This is not a hunt. We are collecting them for scientific reasons and we only want the reproductive organs.

    This is the USDA Trained Professional Shooting Team; shooting in high density housing development areas.

    Cost is $50 to $100 per deer.

    We are creating a Population Model.

    We are creating an Infrared Survey of the entire state.

    We want to predict what the population will do in the future.

    They cut them open to look at the fetus and collect the brain stems for analysis.

    Hunters don't like to shoot deer with fetus in them.

    We don't want to compete with hunters.

    Will use rifles chosen by shooting team, infrared equipment, lights, probably not bait. This is OK because this is Scientific Collecting.

    People will not hear the rifle fire because the rifles are suppressed.

    Using Fish and Wildlife Service funds from Department of Natural Resources.

    Collecting outside the deer season.

    You can't over-harvest deer.

    Hunters are however limited in number of deer that can be taken.

    Fish and Wildlife may want to allow more or less deer for hunters.

    The meat will be donated to needy.

    This is a joint effort with University of Delaware and Div. of Wildlife.

    Will not go into active hunting areas. Will not compete with hunters areas of hunting.

    Will only go into areas where permission is granted.

    Will notify adjacent land owners. Shooting team will look at aerial photography and pick safe shooting zones.

    There will be public Informational Workshops; we have nothing to hide.

    End of notes.

    Possible additional reason is fear of Mad Cow Disease in the deer.
     
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    interesting stuff.. So roughly $60,000 spent to shoot 600 deer. Would love to know how they came up with that number...

    Some of those statements are interesting..

    Surprised the tree huggers and wildlife fanatics are not jumping all over this one..

    How do you creat a population model, by shooting deer that are not in the "deer hunting areas".. so they are creating a model of the "urban" deer.. very helpful to potential house buyers.. or maybe insurance compainies.. hmm you have 40 thousand deer in your area so were going to jack your rates up because the probability is your going to hit one ;P

    And why do you need to shoot 600 deer to create an infrared survey of the state ?.. that one really boggles my mind..

    oh well.. at least they are going to give the meat to the needy, hopefully that's what happens and it does not go to waste..

    Jeff.
     
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    Let me guess......the people in these areas are tired if hitting these "urban" deer with their BMW's and Mercedes SUV's??

    Thats what it took in a few NJ areas to extend season as well as some culling by Wardens.

    FN in MT
     
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    They use similar methods around here to cull deer from parks and areas where houses are close by. They also have a special suburban archery season that runs from 17 September 2005 to 25 March 2006. But they don't allow archery hunting in most of the parks.
     
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    600 deer hardly represents a culling.

    The DNR guy estimated the population density was as high as 200 deer per square mile in places. This sampling represents about 1/4 deer per square mile.

    I don't understand why people are so upset. The DNR guy says they need to do a sampling to give a scientific basis for extending (or limiting... but likely extending) the hunting season in at least a few regions of their state.
    Apparently they need the reproductive tracts to determine when does are getting pregnant, and what the sex distribution is. They're also going to monitor chronic wasting disease. These are reasonable goals.

    They're hunting after the season so they wont compete with hunters. They're hiring sharpshooters so they can do it in more populated areas, but they will be informing the public. They will not go where they are not invited.

    It is amazing to me the ignorance, and willful ignorance, of some of those callers.
     
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    Why not extend the season and sell more tags? Reissue tags to those who would donate the venison to the needy.
     
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    There seems to be legitimate Scientific Interest: BUT, I would like to see the hunters doing the collecting and the Scientists checking things out at the Check-In Stations. The rebuttal is that hunters don't want to shoot pregnant deer and find a fetus inside... ;P
     
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    I think they should be investigating the check stations too...

    But you missed the part where they said they wanted to do the [hunts] after the season was over with... after the rut.

    There is also the issue of collecting the animals in more heavily populated areas.

    It is likely that the scientists will be able to convince land owners that do not generally allow hunting on their property to give them access.


    In the end it's only 600 deer. In all likelyhood it is hardly a drop in the bucket of the total harvest that year. In 2003, the harvest in Deleware was something around 12,000 animals.

    http://espn.go.com/outdoors/hunting/s/h_deer_forecast04_DE.html