Hello, GT members, I just read the thread "why no love for the 9mm". I want to say this debate will go on long after we close our eyes for the last time. Now I want to ask this question of you all. How many here have fired on someone with a 9mm,.40cal and .45acp and had better results from each shooting to say one was better than the other? Or you did it with your choosen caliber and it did its job and you are still here to share your experince? Bigger bullets will track better in the body than smaller ones. 9mm will hit bone and stop, shatter it or deflect .40, .45acp will break it or go straight though. Does that mean bigger is better? A cool calm person with the intent to kill with a .22 will be a panicky unskilled man with a .45acp! I know of a guy I would like to train with and he carries a .32acp I cannot recall the weapon system I do not know if he has ever fired on someone with it, but he has pulled it out. I do know he has a solid shooting history an I feel he could make that .32acp work for him. Ok, this is mine persoanl experince. With a pistol (9mm) rounds were Federal 115gr +P+ (9BPLE) and 124gr +P+ Hydro Shok, Winchestar 115gr +P+ the most rounds on target 9 hits. I have often wondered if I had a caliber beggining with a 4 would they have stopped sooner? Yes, however the 9mm did what I needed it to do it kept me alive here to share this with you, and I believe that is all that matters. With the revolver (.38spl) Winchestar 125gr Silver Tip, I hit the guy once with a torso shot and he just stood there with knife in hand and when I hit him again he said I don't believe a cop shot me and he hit the deck. What did I fail to do? Follow through on the target. Follow through is very critical in a shooting prepare to hit your target several times. People come in different shapes and sizes and have different thesholds of pain. I feel that for the law abiding citizen that goes about their daily business who is moderately trained goes to the range once a month trains once a year the 9mm will be just fine. I would not carry a .38spl as a primary not now a days but for those who have a lot of trigger time in this weapon system and can load it fast under stress thats a good thing its just not me. Bang bang sounds better than please don't hurt me or depending on the situation I am going to call the police. I do not want to get into another shooting and if I do I could only tell you how a 9mm now with Speer GD would do for me. We all have the killer instinct the right button has to be pushed to unleash the killer within. I can tell you for me it was why did this MF make me shoot him and from pulling the trigger so many times out of being scared crap less. I put this out here so I have to deal with what people may say but understand I am not trying to disrespect anyone and you carry the caliber of your choice when it goes down it will be more than caliber that is going to save your rear you will have to hit what you are shooting at to solve your immendiate problem I do not give a screw what caliber it is and you must be willing to use violence without hesitation. Every body be safe.