Expandable Batons

Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by JarE-3, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. JarE-3

    JarE-3

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    OK, so here's my dilema. I carry a 21" ASP either behind my pistol or on a cross draw. In either position, it is very uncomfortable with all my other crap. From right hand to left, I have my mag pouch (vertical), pistol (P220...heavy), cuffs (430), empty space, cuffs (630/7), radio, oc, cell phone. Now what are your preferences for the baton and why. I've carried it in both spots over the past 5 or 6 years and it either hurts my back, or jabs me in the leg. I don't have any duty rig photos currently, but maybe I'll add one tomorrow.

    I've also been thinking about ditching the stick all together as only I've used it once in 6 years for its intended purpose. The rest of the time OC or a drawn firearm has taken care of the situation. I know better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, but its at my discretion and I'm looking for some input.

    So, where do you carry you baton and why? Would you ditch the baton completely?
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    If I were going to carry the ASP, I would actually prefer a cross draw carry. The reason is that I would not want to mistake it for the gun in a tense situation, of course that might just be me when it comes to that. I think in part it would also depend on your working environs as to whether you may need it or not. For what it's worth we don't and are not allowed to carry ASP even on outer perimeter patrol, but we can carry the largest MagLite that is feasible for one to carry. They for us double as a baton if need be in an emergency situation.
     

  3. opelwasp

    opelwasp ZOG/MORON LUBE

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    I carry my 31" airweight in a cross draw. I use a pivoting scabbard so it adjusts to whether I am sitting or standing. I am also going to be putting a glass break cap on it. It will be more useful then.
     
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    I do the same. Takes up space but it's wonderfully accessible and I have a bit of OCD about keeping my belt around my gun clear so it helps with that. Additionally you can incorporate the extension "flick" into the end of the of the draw motion.
     
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    razdog76 Heavy Mettle

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    Have you thought about moving your cell to either a shirt pocket, or an epaulet?

    I am right handed, and carry my mags at 2300, knife at 2230, then my 26" asp crossdraw, radio at 2100, and flashlight at 2000.

    My baton cants my radio forward, so I am not constantly jabbed with the antennae. It sticks out a little over my spare magazines. It is easily accessible by either hand. There is a pic posted in the duty belt thread.
     
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    OK, so you actually wear your mags and baton on your weak side. I never thought of this. Mags just seem natural where they are, but its worth looking into. Do you carry OC? As far as my cell phone goes, I was issued one of those crappy ones that NO ONE makes a clip for, so its a generic pouch on the belt for now. The cross draw is more comfortable, plus like someone said, you get that flick extension. I do have the rotating scarbbard, but when I go that route, I have my radio, OC, and baton all fighting for real estate. When I get home tonight I'll take some pics.
     
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    I have my mags on the weak side up front vertical. I don't carry the asp (no room on belt because of the Taser) but I carry a flashlight all the time (even in the daylight). Yes, we're required to carry OC.
     
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    Unfortunately no Taser here. So you have to carry OC and Taser? Isn't that kinda redundant. OC only works on about 85% of the population IIRC, all it does to me is make my eyes water a little whereas Taser ends the fight right then and there. DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!! Sorry, I had to. Either way, I think I'm gonna do like you razdog76 said: mags stay vertical, but go weakside; OC where mags were on strong side; ASP between mags and radio. That should allow me to comfortably put my 2nd set of cuffs behind my gun at about 4 or 5 oclock. I'll get some pics tonight after I do it.
     
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    If you wear BDU pants, put the OC in a leg pocket. On the odd chance that I carry OC that's where I put it. I'm stuck with a 32" waist. My belt goes, from the right of the belt buckle clockwise: Mag pouch horizontal (waste of space, but its required), belt keeper, Glock 22 (3 o'clock-330, depending on which pants I'm wearing), belt keeper, ASP(right behind Glock), keeper, empty space from 5-630,keeper, cuff case, radio holder, 5.11light/baton ring, Taser holster
     
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    Cochese Most mackinest CLM

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    Can you carry a straight stick? Expandable batons suck balls. The only time I hit somebody with one, it failed to do anything but distract me, when I was left wondering why TF it didn't work.

    I have a 30" Dymondwood Ebony straight stick now. If I hit someone with this, they are going night night.

    I carry my phone in my right shirt pocket. It fits great.

    I happen to think keeping anything on an epaulet looks terrible. The only folks that do that here are the swat guys and sergeants showing off their issued nextels. :rofl:
     
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    Had a PR-24, but that was "too intimidating", switched to a polymer straight stick and that was also "too intimidating". Back to the ASP. The only time I actually hit someone with it, he went to the hospital, followed by jail. He stayed there with a broken arm.
     
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    Jayman Big Dummy

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    I carry a 26" ASP directly to the right of my duty belt buckle. I have it horizontal, with the butt pointed toward my right side. I can get to it with either hand, and it doesn't get in the way much in that spot. There's no real good place for it, I fear, anything is a compromise.
     
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    Yes, we are required to carry OC and either an ASP or a TASER (you can carry both if you want).

    An aside, don't start changing your mags around. If you do move your mag pouch, make sure you unload all your ammo and practice reloading in the new position. Muscle memory will have you going to the old position when you need it if you don't make new muscle memory.
     
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    I carried my ASP for about 7 years before taking it off. I used it zero times (on night shift I used my flashlight for any striking purposes). As soon as I did of course, the department made it mandatory for us to carry them so I had to put it back onto my belt. I was just carrying it in my patrol bag on the passenger seat and I could get out with it if needed.

    Move your cell to your pocket and try to get the baton to the side or use one of those rotation crossdraw gizmos others are posting about.
    Good luck.
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    I saw the mention of mags on the weak side, (I use the term non dominant for what its worth). Mags on the opposite of the usual hand for pulling a trigger makes it easier for me to change out magazines when qualifying. Plus it is how we're trained for what little training that we do receive on this. I think for duty that you may like it better once you get used to it.

    Cell phone in the pocket and on vibrate is actually good, and I use that myself when out on escort trips or other outside the perimeter duties.

    I understand that you cannot use the straight stick and various ones as per policy of your department/agency, however would they allow something like a C Cell Maglite in it's place, with about three or four batteries? It may not be the best solution, however I think it beats an ASP.

    For my radio, I use a battery clip. It seems to be a better fit for me, and I keep the mike cord in front, so it is less likely to be used as part of a choking or submission hold by the opposition.
     
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    Well, here's what I came up with after reading all of your suggestions. Tomorrow I guess I'll prance around the house doin mag changes, baton pulls and OC draws with everything in its new home.

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    I don't think I need to explain what everything is. Do I? The ASP holder rotates and those are not quad mag pouches, only double. Need a few more P220 mags. I'm accepting any and all donations:whistling:
     
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    Looks like a pretty good set up. Would your department allow disposable cuffs? As in carry those in addition to the hard set?
     
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    APD Trunk Monkey

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    Setup looks good. I keep non essential stuff off my belt like glove pouches and cell phone holders etc. Thats what I have pockets for!
     
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    Trashed my EXPANDABLE years ago.. hands feet fist spray gun and thats it.. I have a GOOD old fashioned poly baton that I exit the car with and if I need it I use it if not I have the old ring on my belt for it...
     
  20. Sharky7

    Sharky7 Boomshakalaka

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    Your set up looks good.

    Check this page out as well..it will give you some ideas. It is the "Hindi" set up.
    http://batoncap.com/Beltsystem.html

    It's all personal preference, but I prefer having a pair of handcuffs up front where I can reach them with either hand and don't have to do the weird bend thing to reach behind me. To me, it helps to have a quick access to it in case I have to hold someone down with one hand and grab my cuffs with the other hand. I have almost the exact same set up as you, but I put a pair of handcuffs between the pepper spray and the belt buckle. Then I move my second pair of cuffs behind my firearm.