Got a very expensive box of 110 grain personal defense low recoil in .38 special. These are standard pressure, non+P. I tested them through water jugs, just want to set that straight. Maybe these rounds are 100% through denim and gel (doubt it) but in plain water jugs they have failed miserably. Out of about 15 that I tested only 2 expanded, and not very well. They just barely opened up. I recovered all of the others, they just plain failed to expand. Maybe a snubbie doesnt give enough velocity to open them up. They seem to be of very light construction. Personal Protection and a 6" Barrel dont traditionally go together. I am disappointed, I will try some 135 Grain +P Gold dots next. I realize the water jug test is only really valid to a point, and that its not gel. Every other quality round I have tested with this method has performed very similarly to if it were gel. The only other I had problems with is the PMC Starfire, wont carry it. XTP, PDX1, Golden Saber, Pow'Rball, Gold Dot, in other calibers have all been 100% through jugs. insofar as the results are consistant the test to me, is valid and means something.