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Entitlement ......?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by dango, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. muscogee

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    Off with their heads. Do you find it medieval to eliminate people when they become inconvenient. You're really out of touch with thee 21st century.
     
  2. muscogee

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    If you raise taxes you're a leftist, socialist, fascist, communists and you're ignorant. The next President will raise your taxes because he has too. Do you want the working class and middle class to bear the bulk of the tax increases, like they have since Reagan, or do you want to ultra rich to bear the bulk of the burden?
     

  3. DanaT

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    I believe that people should be responsible for themselves.

    I also believe that the amount of money spent keeping old people alive another 2 months is wasted money and society shouldnt be picking up the tab.

    Do some actual thinking and fact checking. Find out how much medical care the last two months of an old persons life costs and how good medicine is at changing the outcome.

    Of course you can't think in a logical method. First you tell me how great socialized medicine is in Germany, knowing nothing about it, deny that there are two systems in place for health care in Germany with vastly different flavors between the two, and then say I have no experience. When I tell you about when I needed a doctor in Germany and I was able to get one, when Germans in the same situation couldnt have, I am an elitist for cutting in line. You dodged the whole issue that I had to "cut in line". In the USA, if I have the same ailment, there is no line to cut into.

    OF course, that doesnt fit with your incorrect narrative of socialized medicine so its easier to call me an "elitist" instead of explaining why there are lines that I had to by-pass.

    So lets ask you. WHY was there a line that I had to cut into and WHY is it good that there are lines? I suspect you will dodge this question too...
     
  4. DanaT

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    If I go to the local steak house, I can eat a small sirloin. I can eat a 23 oz porterhouse. If I chose to eat that 23 ozsteak, I need to pay for it.

    People should pay based upon what they use. I think everyone should pay the exact dame DOLLAR amount of taxes since we get the same services.
     
  5. certifiedfunds

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    Outstanding point!

    Muscogee, why are there lines?
     
  6. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    The socialists aren't trying to tax the ultra rich. They're trying to tax folks making $250k-$1MM/ yr. those aren't ultra rich

    Besides if you tax the wealthy at100% it still won't fund all of your socialist spending.
     
  7. Z71bill

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    The taxes Obama wants on the rich will generate about $50 billion in added revenue.

    My guess is he will want to spend it - not use it to reduce the deficit.

    But where is the other $950 billion going to come from?

    We must cut spending -

    BTW

    Tax collections have gone up A LOT

    Last year Regan was in office total federal revenue was $909 billion - they spent $1.06 trillion

    Now we collect $2.5 trillion - a 175% increase in taxes

    and spend $3.8 trillion a 259% increase.

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    You have your facts mixed up --

    The share of taxes paid by the "rich" has increased -

    Rich pay a higher % of their income - and also pay a greater % of total taxes - these are facts - go look it up.

    The political spin of the Bush tax cuts goes like this -

    The rich got $50,000 tax cuts and the poor guy only got a $2,000 cut.

    So before the rich guy paid $350,000 in taxes - now he pays $300,000.

    The lower income guy paid $6,000 before - now they pay $4,000. (including payroll taxes).

    :dunno:
     
  8. certifiedfunds

    certifiedfunds Tewwowist

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    I think most folks would define$50,000, married,2 kids as middle class.

    That guy pays negligible to nothing in federal income taxes.
     
  9. Z71bill

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    But pays 7+K in payroll taxes (if you count the tax paid by the employer)

    I was including payroll taxes - both what the employee pays & what is paid by the employer.

    Liberals need to decide -

    Do you want the taxes collected as payroll taxes - to be counted like general revenue - so it is "counted just like income taxes" in the total taxes a person pays (Buffet rule BS)

    OR

    Do you want social security and medicare to be considered a YOU PAY FOR IT sort of like a retirement plan:upeyes:- so it is not welfare for old people.

    IMHO liberals want it BOTH ways -

    I see it more like an income tax - and that makes social security welfare - so adjust the tax structure to change the rates so they collect the same amount of revenue as the current split (income tax & payroll taxes) and all of a sudden social security is just another program funded by general revenue - and the payments people get from social security when they hit the magic age of entitlement are welfare.
     
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