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Entitlement ......?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by dango, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. JohnBT

    JohnBT NRA Benefactor

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    "I read that they do not even pursue looking in to people claiming a need for Food Stamps. Aparently it's cheaper to hand them out and not even investigate."

    The author you read was clueless.

    Of course they look into their income and expenses for housing, utilities, etc.

    www.snap-help.com/?path=13&reset=1&split_id=150

    "After applying, applicants will in all likelihood need to furnish extra documentation during an interview with a state case worker and fit all prerequisites set forth by the state on an ongoing basis in order to continue receiving benefits."

    The "all likelihood" refers to people - and babies too - already approved for another program such as Medicaid. Those folks and their info are already known.

    John
     
  2. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    The first statement is suspect, but if true, how is that paying off for you? If it isnt it is in something that doesnt matter.



    I went to Colmar and ate crêpe. I also ate tartiflett in Chamonix. I worked with 10 French people. I guess that makes me more of an expert about French hôpital than you on German Krankenhäuser.

    Go ask your "friends in stuttgart" about private and public health care and which one they get in Germany.

    But here is some help to start:

    http://www.pkv.de

    There dirty little secret that the Europeans dont talk about is the difference between public and private insurance. I give you a link, yet you probably still will not believe it exists.





    I didnt incur the debt. Someone else should not be forced to pay unlimited amounts to save you. Most people that in the financial position they are in had a lot to do with the position.


    WaWaWa. I lost all sympathy for peoples health care payments when I have always paid A LOT of money for health care insurance. What our family had to have done, was not covered by insurance. If we wanted treatment, pay cash up front. It cost me about $25k in cash at a young age. But guess what, it was important enough to have this medical issue taken care of, I paid for it. It is called "priorities".
     

  3. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    Wow. So you are for a flat rate? I like that. You pay 20% of your income for tax and I will pay 20% of mine.
     
  4. DanaT

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    You always whine about the working and middle class.

    Well, lets see you do something for them instead of just whine. You are an educated person that should be able to help.

    I will offer you an investment opportunity. You will get a 8% ROI as long as the firm is profitable in 5 years. You need to invest $3M. This will provide 5 to 7 good jobs for three years. Maybe even a couple more working class jobs for the same time. There are all kinds of creative ways you can come up with $3M.

    When can I expect your investment and wire transfer to arrive? After all, it is help out the working class by creating jobs for the them.
     
  5. LAWDOGKMS

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    So.....the 10K of college gi bill that 10 years in the military, serving my country in-the combat zone for Desert Storm, Desert Shield in the Gulf and Operation Deny Flight in Bosnia makes me a welfare whore?
     
  6. dango

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    One whore to another , NO SIR and I salute you ...........!
    And thank you for your service........!
     
  7. Panglоss

    Panglоss I am the NRA

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    Nope. Those are just benefits conferred to you as part of your employment contract.

    The idea that this is at all analogous to an 'entitlement' whereby people are given free phones, free housing, free food, etc., simply for sitting around and doing nothing, is ridiculous.
     
  8. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    I think I'll tell the next dude I see wearing a Rolex that I'm entitled to it and he should give it to me. Wonder how that will go.
     
  9. IQof1

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    please explain how the GI Bill is a "social entitlement."

    you see i read "social entitlement" as EVERYONE gets it. to receive GI Bill bennies, you MUST SERVE in the MILITARY.

    i have now served 24+ years. i have spent over 4 of those years away from my wife and kids. i have missed, proms, homecoming games where one of my daughters was in the HC Court. i missed first steps, first swimming pool.

    i missed first pet. i missed alot serving my country, time, memories and experiences i will NEVER, NEVER get back so that IDIOTS like you can complain about me receiving the GI Bill.

    oh, btw, i PAID $1200 as an E2 for my initial GI Bill, THEN, i got the wonderful chance to PAY another $600 for TOP UP. THEN i got to watch as new guys coming in got the SAME GI Bill as I paid for for free!

    do i begrudge them? hell no. social entitlements are free public education (indoctrination), welfare, unemployment, SSI for those that did NOT pay into it, etc...

    please get an F'ing clue before you post more stupidity.
     
  10. Z71bill

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    Is the GI Bill an entitlement?

    Well DUH of course it is - but don't believe me - ask the VA.

    http://www.gibill.va.gov/documents/pamphlets/ch30_pamphlet.pdf

    Go ALL THE way down to page 3 under the heading

    "ELIGIBILITY and ENTITLEMENT"

    These sections may also show some interest --

    HOW DO WE CHARGE ENTITLEMENT?......... 20
    CAN WE EXTEND YOUR ENTITLEMENT?...... 21
    CAN WE RESTORE YOUR ENTITLEMENT IF
    YOU HAVE TO DROP OUT OF SCHOOL?....... 21
     
  11. IQof1

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    Entitlement is being used as a description of benfits, NOT the same meaning as welfare, unemplyment etc...

    after paying your dues or serving in the military, you are granted these benefits as part of your service agreement thus, you are "entitled" to receive the bennies.

    it is NOT an entitlement in the sense of welfare. the OP is just trolling and trying to stir the pot so to speak.
     
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  12. Panglоss

    Panglоss I am the NRA

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    I hope you are not serious.

    This is a simple case of a word taking on a different meaning in a different context.

    When you serve in the military you are 'entitled' to GI Bill benefits, which are a benefit of your employment. Thus the use of the word 'entitlement'.

    You are not 'entitled' to a free phone, free food, or free housing, simply because you were born and exist in this country. These are the type of 'entitlements' (we could call them unearned entitlements) that are controversial.

    If the GI Bill is an entitlement, then so is any other benefit or, more specifically, form of compensation, provided by one's employer; sick days, vacation days, health and dental, etc., are all entitlements, right? In fact, by the same line of reasoning, one's wage or salary would also become an entitlement.

    These argumentum ad nauseam posts about semantics are really growing old.

    There's a huge difference between something that you are IN FACT entitled to because you earned it, and something that you BELIEVE you are entitled to simply because you exist and because you THINK you are entitled to receive it for free.

    Context.
     
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  13. Z71bill

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    The reason the correct term is ENTITLEMENT is because a law was passed - providing these benefits to people - if they meet specific criteria they are ENTITLED to the GOVERNMENT PAID BENEFIT.

    That is what an entitlement program is -

    Social security, medicare, GI Bill, unemployment payments, food stamps, free phones for the poor, medicaid, heating payments assistance, housing allowance for poor, heck I would even add it the earned in come credit.

    All of these are entitlements -

    If the very government agency that administers the program calls it an entitlement - why is it not an entitlement?

    The problem with the terms is yours -

    You could make a valid case that not all of these programs are welfare - but there is just no way possible to not call them entitlements.

    BTW - congress passes a law that says a person - that meets specific criteria - is entitled to a free phone - they are just as entitled to the free phone - as a person that paid XX into social security is to SS payments - just as entitled as a service member is to the entitlement benefit under the GI bill - or a student is entitled to a student loan.

    At least until the flow of cash / ability to borrow runs out or congress changes the law.
     
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  14. Averageman

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    No Dana, I regularly work outside the U.S. and I feel like, if you aren't inside the U.S. they should have No claim on any of your money you earned outside the US.
    That being said I don't mind paying my Taxes for my earnings here, I just wish there was someone minding the till a little better.
    It would be nice if we didn't need to work outside the U.S. to earn a prime wage, and that wont happen until we bring industry back here.
     
  15. Averageman

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    Actually I was living in the Chicago suburbs and remember watching the Democratic National Convention on T.V. right up until Daley unleashed the Chicago Cops on the protestors. I was sent to bed of course.
    My Dad who was recently home from Viet Nam probobly made popcorn opened an "Old Style"and watched the festivities.
     
  16. dherloc

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    I paid $1200 for my GI bill...never used it. Gov't can keep it. Didn't really need it anyway.
     
  17. dherloc

    dherloc X-Nuc

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    Not sure I agree with this one. You are, after all, still a US citizen...with all the rights and priviledges that come with that.

    Might have to mull that one over. But pretty sure I won't change my mind.
     
  18. frizz

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    One example does not make a trend...

    This is not very common. For one thing, corporations that are owned by only one or only a few people will seldom be able to borrow money or buy anything on credit without signing for the dept personally.

    Also, your description is a classic pattern of when the law will allow creditors go after the owners directly. They may either get the court to disregard the corporate protection, or get the bankruptcy court to grab back money from most anyone who got money from the corporation.

    Google "piercing the corporate veil" and "fraudulent conveyance" to see how this works.
     
  19. Averageman

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    Well I can to a degree see your point, but if I'm not there to recieve any of the benefits, I'm just paying for the passport.
    I dont mind paying for that passport, but to be honest to a degree I see it almost as an entrance fee to get back in the country.
    It does bug me to deal with the things I have to deal with and to pay and pay and then to stand in a line and see someone pull out that card and get their stuff for free.
    I was raised in a very lower middle class Family where we were told if we work hard and save our money we will get ahead. Yeah you will get ahead and you will carry how many folks on your back as you do it?
     
  20. frizz

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    That is a hush-hush reason for it. Back in the 1930s, a justification for the New Deal was that it would prevent agitators from being able to foment a communist revolution.