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Enlisted combat pilots? Could happen.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by G19Tony, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Kifaru

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    Color me stupid, but what is the logic behind only officers being pilots?
     
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    Years back it was a decent measure of functional literacy. If you went to college you had the education necessary to master the advanced concepts necessary to pilot an aircraft. Back in the round engine days many excellent maintenance types knew the job front and back but couldn’t read a maintenance manual.

    It is incredible to me that with military aviation wide open to qualified female officer candidates we are discussing enlisted pilots again.
     
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    They had them in WW2
     
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    Organizationally, having enlisted pilots does present some problems, mainly with respect to handling situations where your most experienced or successful pilot in a squadron is a Sergeant and is outranked by every other pilot in the squadron. You want your best and most experienced pilots to act as mentors and leaders with respect to the newer fliers in the squadron, and when that means having a Sergeant essentially being put in charge of several Commissioned Officers, egos can get rubbed the wrong way and the chain of command can get fuzzy.

    In WWII, the Air Force handled that by eventually handing out Direct Commissions to many of their more experienced "Technical Sergeant Pilots".
     
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    Good thing that Chuck Yeager never got that memo. Imagine if he had been 'literate' enough to know he couldn't turn one hell of a wrench; or if he knew he wasn't smart enough to fly past the "sound barrier".
     
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    He got the memo.

    I said many, not all.
     
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    When I live in a country that starts giving college degrees to people who earn them on scholastic merit, vs. an ability to play with each others balls, I will happily stipulate that "many, not all" doesn't cut both ways.

    Today's colleges and universities pride themselves in turning out things like this:

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    So I have to ask myself if I really want someone -- who probably dreams of getting a degree in Wymyns' Studies -- doing the job of a warrior?
     
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    Just what we need.

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    And if so, what type of drawings in the sky will we get??
     
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    My old man was lying on a cot on Guadalcanal dying of malaria because he couldn't tolerate quinine. A buddy of his made a night time flight from there to New Caledonia (I think) and back without a layover and brought back another medicine that eventually saved him. The buddy was a CPO and enlisted pilot.

    If this were a poll I would have to vote in favor of enlisted pilots. I would not be here if not for one, nor would my children and grandchildren. It's pretty heartening the difference one man can make...even an enlisted guy.

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    Nothing wrong with enlisted pilots, but why not use something like the Army’s existing system of Warrant Officer pilots. Never understood why the Air Force dropped WO’s.
     
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    My ex father in law was an NCO during WW2 and flew in Burma.
     
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    Probably the same reason a lot of jobs require a college degree - it's a pre-filter.

    If someone has a college degree you know (for the most part anyway) they have at least some brainpower. And that is comforting when you are about to entrust them with a multi-million dollar piece of equipment.

    Not to mention because, well, until recently they could. Pilot slots used to be VERY competitive. Fighter pilot? Even moreso. It may still be.

    I'm also guessing that an officer is more likely to stay around until retirement, which is a bonus when you consider how much it costs to train one of those guys.
     
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    I recall reading in one of W.E.B. Griffin's novels, some discussion of why (around WW II/Korea) a sergeant could be in charge of a $65,000 tank and its crew, but you had to be an officer to fly a $2,000 Piper Cub.
     
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    From what I see, in both the Army and civilian world, a college degree hasn't demonstrated that for a few decades now. I don't think it even serves the original person of screening out the lower social classes, anymore. Now, with the insistence that everybody should go to college and the government financing (and resulting dumbing down of college, so they can get more government money) college has become an irrelevant requirement.
     
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