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Elise / Exige

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by DanaT, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. DanaT

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    Today has been rough. Kinda took it easy. Surfed. Was looking at cars.

    I always get excited by fast cars. Normally this is achieved with brute power.

    For quite a while I have had a love/hate idea of Lotii. (I made that word up to annoy a Freund). They are neat cars but I wont give him satisfaction of me saying that about his Esprit.

    But then I got thinking. The Elise / Exige series goes fast by being light. Uses Toyota engines that are dead reliable and engineered for much heavier vehicles. They don't go fast by brute power but power to weight ratio.

    And they are supposed to handle like on rails. I found a place to rent one for the day and try it out on the 'ring. Just afraid if I do, I will have to have one.

    How could someone actually like such an impractical thing? And the top end leaves a lot to be desired.

    Dana


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    Atlas transmogrifier

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    How indeed? It's a sports car.
    Designed for driving fun, nothing else.

    The Lotus Exige, Porsche Boxster S...
    A man needs a motor toy... something that is not his daily driver, whether car, motorcycle, boat, airplane.
    A toy. A man's toy.
     
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    I have always dismissed the boxster s as "not a 911" and in need of a turbo.

    But the boxsters I have driven (and cayman) are simply magical cars. They have 1/3 the power the chassis can handle.

    They are the only car I have ever driven that makes a person a better driver.

    But there is just something raw about the Lotii that are neat. But raw also gets a person in trouble.

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    The Boxter is more closely related to the 914. The mid-engine platform is considered superior by some enthusiasts. I agree they're both (the 914 and Boxter). I had read somewhere (I know, poor form to not provide a reference) that a 914 fitted with the 911 engine of the same model year trounced the 911, and I've heard similiar conjecture regarding the Boxter. Why underpower them, then? Probably because the 911 family is the "flagship" of the marque, and should be the fastest.

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    Double edges sword. A mid engine car when it let's go is also much harder to recover be of different polar moment.

    Also the rear engine cars can put down power much better. They have a huge advantage coming out of corners on power.

    But yes. Porsche has long kept its "underclass" cars slower than the 911. Why put the same power in a 911 and boxster and steal sales from the 911 which costs significantly more. Kinda the same thing as camaro/corvette.

    Gotta be careful with stealing sale from your own company.




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    I loved my Lotus, an Elan+2S. It was a blast to drive in the mountains, in town and on the track. The light weight nimble go-cart feel was like no other sports car I've driven.

    I could definitely see myself in an Elise. Here's one I admired in Charleston recently.

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    Can you call my wife and explain this to her? She just doesn't get it. And when the garage is full...don't quit collecting toys.....buy a new house with a bigger garage.

    My wife thinks toys are not a good idea because use ratio to cost is not good.

    No way in hell would she go for an Elise but it would be fun to bring home. Also "do what you want" is NOT permission to buy a new car. It really means "you better read my mind correctly"

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    My other intelligent thought of the day was buying a duc. How to explain that one?


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    There were a very few 914 models fitted from the factory with the 911 flat-6 (boxer) engine. Quite a few more were 4-cylinder 914 models fitted with 911 engines by owners.
    They were/are awesome cars.

    The Boxster is one of Porsche's great success stories.
     
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    Keep in mind the 914-6 never had a 911 engine.

    Only the 916 did. Good luck finding a real 916.

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    I spoke too soon. I found a 916 for sale for the cheap price of $325k.

    So it's not luck...it's money.



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    Picking nits, since the 916 was a 914 with the flat-6 engine but yes...
     
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    vikingsoftpaw DEPLORABLE ME!

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    Not to be a Nave, but when did Porsche start naming cars, discontinuing the 911, 928, 944, 956? Do those cars have any linage today?
     
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    They never have but then they started around the Carrera of the 60s.

    For example there is a difference between a 986, 987, and 981.

    Same for a 964, 993, 996, 997, 991.

    It goes on and on


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    Ps. I asked the boss about a 981 and she is only 21.64% against it...


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    Colin Chapman: "To increase speed, add lightness"

    The Exige I drove was the most fun I've ever had in a car, ever.

    And I rarely break into triple-digits on the street, so the top end is somewhat irrelevant for me.


    Only spiritually--the 986 shares all of the body panels forward of the doors with the 996.

    It IS superior, due to simple physics.

    The 911 has not been discontinued. Porsche's flagship model is still branded the 911, despite the fact that the factory and enthusiasts use chassis numbers to tell the different series apart (the current 911 is the 991, preceded by the 997, the 996, the 993, and the 964).

    The 928, 924, 944, 968, and 914 were all discontinued at the end of their production runs.

    The Boxster was the first Porsche to wear a name as well as a number (the Boxster is the 986) and since then the Cayenne, Cayman, and Panorama have been named models.
     
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    I love machines , and if I hit a lotto (I wish ), I would own a Pagani , Zonda . The lotus would be second for sure.
     
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    My allowance for a car is 90k euro minus anything shipped. I have to chose carefully.


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    I owned a 2005 Elise for a few years. Fantastic car. Very much designed for true car enthusiasts. It's a car you "wear like a tight pair of pants." It is not comfortable. It is not practical. It's not luxurious. Not a commuter or daily driver. It is a DRIVER'S car.

    I tracked mine many, many times. Hundreds of laps. It is not a car for a novice driver to push to the limits. (I'm a Skip Barber Racing School "graduate.") Mid-engine cars behave VERY differently than front-engine cars. So, if you plan to drive anywhere near the limits, get training FIRST.

    Here she is... I miss her!
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