close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Restless28, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. Restless28

    Restless28

    Messages:
    16,152
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2008
    Location:
    Solsbury Hill
  2. boozer

    boozer

    Messages:
    1,943
    Likes Received:
    119
    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Location:
    Hilltop, USA
    Smart man.

    Too bad Johnson didn't listen.
     

  3. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

    Messages:
    15,535
    Likes Received:
    1,280
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2005
    Location:
    Land of Idiots and Libtards
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2012
  4. Restless28

    Restless28

    Messages:
    16,152
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2008
    Location:
    Solsbury Hill
    Yep. Sad it is, maybe even a bit maddening.
     
  5. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

    Messages:
    15,535
    Likes Received:
    1,280
    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2005
    Location:
    Land of Idiots and Libtards
    Very maddening for me...
     
  6. RedTop

    RedTop

    Messages:
    2,619
    Likes Received:
    26
    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2008
    Location:
    Georgia
    I've seen this before...

    Ike knew reality but sadly no one listened to him.

    ETA - I wonder what he thinks about the Immigration Act of 1965? It's obvious he never envisioned his successors selling out what he stood for.
     
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2012
  7. fwm

    fwm

    Messages:
    2,630
    Likes Received:
    31
    Joined:
    May 31, 2006
    Location:
    Near Central US
    Eisenhower was stuck in the forty's, never understood technical advances and never understood economics. Damn near cost this country it's place in history.
    Pooh poohed missiles with nukes as a viable weapon system until he found a Russian satellite over his head, forcing him into the 20th century. He was the architect of the Bay of Pigs and started it in motion, leaving Kennedy to hold the bag when it failed. Great General, not really bright about non-military matters.
     
  8. engineer151515

    engineer151515

    Messages:
    14,322
    Likes Received:
    546
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2003
    Eisenhower acknowledges the need for the military industrial complex.

    Warning against "unwarranted influence" has its merits, but does not negate the need.


    There is a lot missing in that video clip. One may want to read the entire speech for a better prospective.

    http://www.h-net.org/~hst306/documents/indust.html


    I think this passage is equally relevant today.

     
  9. Fred Hansen

    Fred Hansen Liberal Bane

    Messages:
    16,035
    Likes Received:
    12,379
    Joined:
    May 19, 2005
    Aww! Party pooper! You and fwm went and spoiled all their fun.

    :rofl:
     
  10. HexHead

    HexHead

    Messages:
    4,815
    Likes Received:
    1
    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Nobody ever quotes his other point in that same speech, not to borrow money our grandchildren are going to have to pay back.
     
  11. engineer151515

    engineer151515

    Messages:
    14,322
    Likes Received:
    546
    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2003
    That another really good point.
     
  12. Javelin

    Javelin Got Glock? Silver Member

    Messages:
    13,775
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2008
    Location:
    N. Dallas
    Exactly!

    These asshats have been stoking the debt up and up knowing full well they will be long and dead when it comes time to pay the bill.

    Sons of :steamed:
     
  13. G29Reload

    G29Reload Tread Lightly

    Messages:
    13,286
    Likes Received:
    367
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2009
    This.

    We NEED a military industrial complex.

    WTH kind of scope do you think a military runs at?

    There is no other scale at which a military runs. Why are railheads located near Navy piers? Cranes? Gigantic warehouses?

    You can't run the US Marine Corp out of the basement of a townhouse in Georgetown.

    The military's very being requires space, hardware, materials handling.

    It was the strength of our industrial complex that won WWII.

    Ever see an Iowa class battleship? Those were probably the last true Navy ship. By that, I mean it was a NAVY Navy ship.(s) Built in place like the Brooklyn NAVY yard. By Navy rates. Welders, shipfitters, etc. Was a time when the US Government built its own stuff.

    Eventually, that stuff (shipbuilding, etc) was farmed out to big corporations like Bath or Northrop Grumman. Just like when Singer Sewing machine made .45s and GM made tanks and jeeps instead of cars, when it comes to cranking things out, the .gov turned to industry.

    Over time, the whole deal just got privatized. We contract to private companies in the MIC to build stuff we need.

    Because you don't buy rocket launchers at a suburban 7-11 or quiet strip mall somewhere. Nor do you just buy a couple. You need them cranked out by the tractor trailer load. By industry with the economy of scale to do it cheaply and effectively enough.

    There's nothing sinister about the MIC. We need it to live and will again someday. The .mil needs something, procurement gets a contract rolling and some lucky bidder gets to make something for our defense. That's all it is.
     
  14. RGbiker

    RGbiker

    Messages:
    1,513
    Likes Received:
    6
    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2009
    Location:
    Arizona
    Interesting!

    He complains about the same Military industrial complex that helped the Soviets and Eisenhower's armies defeat Hitler.