Earth's ozone hole is the smallest it's been in decades

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  1. Mayhem like Me

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    Your statement is simply not true.
    There has always been some black market CFC production, notably from China in the past few years, but total global emissions have plummeted since the Montreal Protocol.
     

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    Not according to every report I've read from real sources.
     
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    Isn't that kinda like saying that since lead exposure in kids that live close to roads is at all time lows, we should start putting lead back in gasoline?
     
  5. Mayhem like Me

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    Cite?



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    If I find the time I may dig up a couple, but it's really not hard to find the truth if you care.

    The Chinese have never cut back on CFCs, and in fact have increased their CFC omissions to more than double that of the rest of the world.

    I know it doesn't fit the narrative, but the truth is indeed inconvenient.

    When the sources quoted are political, environmental, or benefit directly from the research grants, they are not credible.

    When the sources say nothing about actual emission levels, and only quote the politi-speak, they are not credible.

    Many people here have no critical reading skills and do not get beyond the headlines, so that's where their knowledge stops.

    Why do I know about China? Because I brought two very large factories online in China in the last 15 years requiring cooling of millions of cubic feet of space each. Virtually all of our systems used R-12 Freon, as it's cheap and works very well. The "factory cities" in China are all running R-12 or other chlorine or florine based coolants, and these amount to many billions of cubic meters being cooled by CFC based coolants.

    Although China signed the Montreal Protocol, they have NO obligation to even begin to reduce emissions or use until 2045 - and as a result have no intentions on doing so.
     
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    Welcome to GT. People here would protest something as stupid as a privately-owned bakery making a cake for a gay couple, because "Liberal". Anything that's remotely supported by Leftists is bad. You're not going to get an unbiased, rational response here sometimes.
     
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    Well keep diggin because everything I found shows that the highest level was about 1995 and has gone down considerably with the very small spike recently last 8 years It shows us nowhere near the output of the nineties.

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    Well keep diggin because everything I found shows that the highest level was about 1995 and has gone down considerably with the very small spike recently last 8 years It shows us nowhere near the output of the nineties.

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  10. Peace Warrior

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    Thank you. Give me three days instead of thirty minutes and I could really wow ya.
     
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    Preach it brother!

    But don't get me started on how they are unscientifically manipulating data to show warming.
     
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    I found this at another site, I don't know if the Mods will let it stay up.

    To all the school kids who went on 'strike' for climate change...

    You are the first generation who have required air-conditioning in every classroom. You want TV in every room and your classes are all computerised. You spend all day and night on electronic devices. More than ever, you don't walk or ride bikes to school but arrive in caravans of private cars that choke suburban roads and worsen rush hour traffic.

    You are the biggest consumers of manufactured goods ever and replace perfectly good expensive luxury items to stay trendy. Your scooters and skateboards are increasingly... electric!

    Furthermore, the people driving your protests are the same people who insist on artificially inflating the population growth through immigration which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.

    The more people we have, the more forest and bushland we clear and more of the environment is destroyed.

    How about this... tell your teachers to switch off the air-con. Walk or ride to school. Switch off your devices and read a book. Make a sandwich instead of buying manufactured goods.

    No, none of this will happen because you are uneducated, selfish, virtue signalling little turds inspired by the adults around you who crave a feeling of having a 'noble cause' while they indulge themselves in Western luxury and unprecedented quality of life.
     
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    Who doesn't remember all that fear mongering? It is always something.
     
  14. Peace Warrior

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    • ...Furthermore, the people driving your protests are the same people who insist on artificially inflating the population growth through immigration which increases the need for energy, manufacturing and transport.
    • The more people we have, the more forest and bushland we clear and more of the environment is destroyed. ...
    • ...inspired by the adults around you who crave a feeling of having a 'noble cause' while they indulge themselves in Western luxury and unprecedented quality of life.
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    Hmmmm, this proverb comes to mind: "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

    Wow, pretty clever writing, and welcome to the "sandwich philosophy" in prose, which in this case starts with a little truth, in order to get otherwise indecent thinkers to let their guard down.

    Propagandists know that the best way to get people to either support their way of thinking, or support their overall agenda is for the propagandists to first pretend to agree with the thinking of the targeted audience. (Democrats/Socialists know this all to well too. ;) )

    As much as I hate to, I have to admit this was a cleverly written and disguised piece that is in reality a call for some kind of population control effort under the guise of it being beneficial to our "Mother Earth" and in response to a generation of uppity teenagers.

    What better way to push an agenda, or two, than to have a common enemy, which in this case are children portraying ideals of entitlement.

    No, since the bible and prayer were removed from our nationalized, Public school system (ca. 1963), there have been huge, never before realized problems when trying to educate America's youth. Period.

    Illegal immigration is wrong only because it is illegal. (Jello?) Period.

    Population control (aka: Eugenics) is wrong. Hypocrisy is one major reason it's wrong as only those whom are ALREADY alive are trying to limit others from having lives of their own. There is something seriously wrong and pathetic with an alive person maintaining such an ideal.

    Just my $0.02, ymmv


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    I recall that the Ozone layer only became an issue around late 1979 or early 1980 because a new satellite was the first time ever reporting upper Ozone. So as there was an apparent hole it must be bad.
    Question how was ore satellite ozone concentration ever baselined?
    What is the historic steady state upper Ozone concentration?
    These were some questions posed in 1983 1984.
    Of course apparently the answer did not fit the "ecology movement" but cfcs got banned.
    The next agenda item was "acid rain".

    I am looking forward to global warming so I will not need a heavy winter coat.
     
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    It’s like going to the race track and you don’t know that all the races are fixed. By chance you bet on the horses that are going to win. You win and come away thinking you are a genius.
     
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    It’s like going to the race track and you don’t know that all the races are fixed. By chance you bet on the horses that are going to win. You win and come away thinking you are a genius.
     
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    And you're loving it.

    Because you're here. LOL
     
  19. Peace Warrior

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    There are still studies being evaluated in order to see if all those high altitude nuclear explosions (e.g., Starfish Prime) by the US and Russia in the later 50's and early 60's might be responsible for "a hole" in the Ozone layer.

    One thing is for sure, the globalists will try to keyhole all data sets into pushing the Climate Change foolishness.