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"Drug Combo with Hydroxychloroquine Promising: NYU Study

BY ALYSSA PAOLICELLI NEW YORK CITY
PUBLISHED 7:18 AM ET MAY. 12, 2020

NEW YORK - Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.

"Certainly we have very limited options as far as what we have seen work for this infection so anything that may work is very exciting," said Dr. Joseph Rahimian, Infectious Disease Specialist at NYU Langone Health.


The study looked at the records of 932 COVID-19 patients treated at local hospitals with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

More than 400 of them were also given 100 milligrams of zinc daily.

Researchers said the patients given zinc were one and a half times more likely to recover, decreasing their need for intensive care.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-borough...thromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths "

Well, that's interesting.....
 

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One of the saddest things about the current media idiocy is that it's getting harder and harder to know what or who to believe.
Originally, when Trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine, it was trashed by the mainstream media, then praised by some in the conservative media like FOX, then it sort of disappeared.
I'll be curious to see what comes of this.
 

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"Zinc-hydroxychloroquine found effective in some COVID-19 patients: study

May 12, 2020

The antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine has shown mixed results against the coronavirus in early studies, but a new paper out of New York suggests combining it with the dietary supplement zinc sulfate could create a more effective treatment.

The research by the NYU Grossman School of Medicine was posted on a medical preprint site on Monday, meaning it hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

Records of about 900 COVID-19 patients were reviewed in the analysis, with roughly half given zinc sulfate along with hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin.

The other half only received hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

Those receiving the triple-drug combination had a 1.5 times greater likelihood of recovering enough to be discharged, and were 44 percent less likely to die, compared to the double-drug combination.

It did not, however, change the average time patients spent in hospital (six days), the time they spent on the ventilator (five days), or the total amount of oxygen required.

https://news.yahoo.com/zinc-hydroxy...ective-covid-19-patients-study-075932458.html "
 

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Zink, Vitamin D and Vitamin C and you're as prepared as you can be for the 'virus.
The theory is that hydroxychloroquine facilitates zinc's entry into the cells.
The zinc interferes with virus replication which helps the immune system win its battle against the clock to make antibodies to kill the virus.
 

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CNN has been doing segments against hqc the last couple days. Openly rooting against a treatment. Meanwhile, they've had Bill Gates on pitching his vaccine bs that is a year away.
 

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CNN has been doing segments against hqc the last couple days. Openly rooting against a treatment. Meanwhile, they've had Bill Gates on pitching his vaccine bs that is a year away.
Blood will be on their hands, if HQC proves to be effective as described by the above study.
 

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It's interesting. The headline is very misleading since this is about the effect of zinc more than hydroxycholorquine. The headline might just as well read "New study shows hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin ineffective unless zinc is given in addition". The difference between the two cohorts analyzed was zinc, not HCQ or azithromycin.

If you are going to really look at this, go ahead and read the preprint:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf

First of all, this is another retrospective chart survey. It has no more or less ability to really answer the important questions than the two retrospective chart surveys that have not demonstrated a beneficial effect of HCQ for treatment of covid-19.

But there are some findings in this survey that strike me as very odd. Many parameters that would normally be considered to be highly correlated with the chance of survival in severe covid-19 infection were no different between the patients that received HCQ, azithromycin, and zinc versus HCQ and azithromycin alone. These include length of hospitalization, duration of ICU care, duration of need for mechanical ventilation, maximum and average oxygen flow rates required, and maximum and average inspired oxygen fraction required. How can that be?

Second, the patients who received zinc were treated in a later time frame than those who did not. Obviously, many circumstances may have changed for better or worse between those two time frames. And when an adjustment was made for that difference in timing of treatment, the differences between the two groups in the need for ICU care and invasive ventilation became insignificant.

This is the most curious statement in the whole paper:

"The main finding of this study is that after adjusting for the timing of zinc therapy, we found that the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was found to associate with a decrease in mortality or transition to hospice among patients who did not require ICU level of care, but this association was not significant in patients who were treated in the ICU."

Think about this. Would not one expect that the majority of patient's who did actually die from severe covid-19 infection would have been transferred to the ICU first? So the difference in mortality was only observed in patients who died without ever going to the ICU. Why did they not receive ICU care?

Perhaps they refused mechanical ventilation. Perhaps they were DNR. Maybe they were so sick on arrival that they were basically treated expectantly due to a shortage of intensive care resources. Maybe they were moribund and too sick to take zinc orally. But whatever the reason, I'm not sure what a difference in mortality among covid-19 patients who never receive intensive care means in the big picture.
 

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It's interesting. The headline is very misleading since this is about the effect of zinc more than hydroxycholorquine. The headline might just as well read "New study shows hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin ineffective unless zinc is given in addition". The difference between the two cohorts analyzed was zinc, not HCQ or azithromycin.

If you are going to really look at this, go ahead and read the preprint:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf

First of all, this is another retrospective chart survey. It has no more or less ability to really answer the important questions than the two retrospective chart surveys that have not demonstrated a beneficial effect of HCQ for treatment of covid-19.

But there are some findings in this survey that strike me as very odd. Many parameters that would normally be considered to be highly correlated with the chance of survival in severe covid-19 infection were no different between the patients that received HCQ, azithromycin, and zinc versus HCQ and azithromycin alone. These include length of hospitalization, duration of ICU care, duration of need for mechanical ventilation, maximum and average oxygen flow rates required, and maximum and average inspired oxygen fraction required. How can that be?

Second, the patients who received zinc were treated in a later time frame than those who did not. Obviously, many circumstances may have changed for better or worse between those two time frames. And when an adjustment was made for that difference in timing of treatment, the differences between the two groups in the need for ICU care and invasive ventilation became insignificant.

This is the most curious statement in the whole paper:

"The main finding of this study is that after adjusting for the timing of zinc therapy, we found that the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was found to associate with a decrease in mortality or transition to hospice among patients who did not require ICU level of care, but this association was not significant in patients who were treated in the ICU."

Think about this. Would not one expect that the majority of patient's who did actually die from severe covid-19 infection would have been transferred to the ICU first? So the difference in mortality was only observed in patients who died without ever going to the ICU. Why did they not receive ICU care?

Perhaps they refused mechanical ventilation. Perhaps they were DNR. Maybe they were so sick on arrival that they were basically treated expectantly due to a shortage of intensive care resources. Maybe they were moribund and too sick to take zinc orally. But whatever the reason, I'm not sure what a difference in mortality among covid-19 patients who never receive intensive care means in the big picture.
Once again the GT Doc's set the record straight.
 

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Interesting and good news! I have been following Dr Seheult / medcram on YT. He has been suggesting the prophylactic use of zinc, Quercetin and NAC for a few weeks now, and takes all three himself. As most here probably know, Quercetin is an OTC supplement that among other things, helps transport zinc across the cell membrane. Once inside the cell then the zinc mucks with the CV19 RNA replication. NAC is also a pretty safe supplement - from what I’ve seen - and it helps prevent inflammation and may help with the blood clot/inflammation issues that have affected a lot of victims. Seheult explains all three a thousand times better than me. To bring this post back on-topic, HCQ is a prescription zinc ionophore and Quercetin is an OTC zinc ionophore. I use Zicam for zinc.

Sorry I am so senile - I should have read other posts before posting :(

Edited to add: Dr Seheult is a SoCal pulmonologist and has some very interesting insights on the CV19 fight. That said, as you have prolly quickly determined from my comments above, he is vastly more qualified than me to comment on this complex subject. I just follow his recommendations and take the three supps.
 

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It's interesting. The headline is very misleading since this is about the effect of zinc more than hydroxycholorquine. The headline might just as well read "New study shows hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin ineffective unless zinc is given in addition". The difference between the two cohorts analyzed was zinc, not HCQ or azithromycin.

If you are going to really look at this, go ahead and read the preprint:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf

First of all, this is another retrospective chart survey. It has no more or less ability to really answer the important questions than the two retrospective chart surveys that have not demonstrated a beneficial effect of HCQ for treatment of covid-19.

But there are some findings in this survey that strike me as very odd. Many parameters that would normally be considered to be highly correlated with the chance of survival in severe covid-19 infection were no different between the patients that received HCQ, azithromycin, and zinc versus HCQ and azithromycin alone. These include length of hospitalization, duration of ICU care, duration of need for mechanical ventilation, maximum and average oxygen flow rates required, and maximum and average inspired oxygen fraction required. How can that be?

Second, the patients who received zinc were treated in a later time frame than those who did not. Obviously, many circumstances may have changed for better or worse between those two time frames. And when an adjustment was made for that difference in timing of treatment, the differences between the two groups in the need for ICU care and invasive ventilation became insignificant.

This is the most curious statement in the whole paper:

"The main finding of this study is that after adjusting for the timing of zinc therapy, we found that the addition of zinc sulfate to hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was found to associate with a decrease in mortality or transition to hospice among patients who did not require ICU level of care, but this association was not significant in patients who were treated in the ICU."

Think about this. Would not one expect that the majority of patient's who did actually die from severe covid-19 infection would have been transferred to the ICU first? So the difference in mortality was only observed in patients who died without ever going to the ICU. Why did they not receive ICU care?

Perhaps they refused mechanical ventilation. Perhaps they were DNR. Maybe they were so sick on arrival that they were basically treated expectantly due to a shortage of intensive care resources. Maybe they were moribund and too sick to take zinc orally. But whatever the reason, I'm not sure what a difference in mortality among covid-19 patients who never receive intensive care means in the big picture.
I wonder how many double blind studies underway have included zinc?
 

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Interesting and good news! I have been following Dr Seheult / medcram on YT. He has been suggesting the prophylactic use of zinc, Quercetin and NAC for a few weeks now, and takes all three himself. Quercetin is an OTC supplement that, per my limited understanding, among other things, helps transport zinc across the cell membrane. Once inside the cell then the zinc mucks with the CV19 RNA replication. NAC is also a pretty safe supplement - per my research - and it helps prevent inflammation and may help with the blood clot/inflammation issues that have affected a lot of victims. Seheult explains all three a thousand times better than me. To bring this post back on-topic, HCQ is a prescription zinc ionophore and Quercetin is an OTC zinc ionophore. I use Zicam for zinc and have no affiliation with them or any of the supplement companies.

Edited to add: Dr Seheult is a SoCal pulmonologist and has some very interesting insights on the CV19 fight. That said, as you have prolly quickly determined from my comments above, he is vastly more qualified than me to comment on this complex subject. I just follow his recommendations and take the three supps.
Vit D is very important as well.
 

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Interesting and good news! I have been following Dr Seheult / medcram on YT. He has been suggesting the prophylactic use of zinc, Quercetin and NAC for a few weeks now, and takes all three himself. Quercetin is an OTC supplement that, per my limited understanding, among other things, helps transport zinc across the cell membrane. Once inside the cell then the zinc mucks with the CV19 RNA replication. NAC is also a pretty safe supplement - per my research - and it helps prevent inflammation and may help with the blood clot/inflammation issues that have affected a lot of victims. Seheult explains all three a thousand times better than me. To bring this post back on-topic, HCQ is a prescription zinc ionophore and Quercetin is an OTC zinc ionophore. I use Zicam for zinc and have no affiliation with them or any of the supplement companies.

Edited to add: Dr Seheult is a SoCal pulmonologist and has some very interesting insights on the CV19 fight. That said, as you have prolly quickly determined from my comments above, he is vastly more qualified than me to comment on this complex subject. I just follow his recommendations and take the three supps.
The topic of Quercetin was hot here back in January and February, so lots of people here are taking it. Quercetin alone has been shown to have some very strong antiviral qualities without the use of Zinc. It's kind of the wonder drug of the plant kingdom when it comes to reducing viral replication and attachment.
 

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Blood will be on their hands, if HQC proves to be effective as described by the above study.
Sadly they don't care. Waters was recently caught stating they want businesses to be closed. Hell blood on their hands is pretty common.

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