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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by jmsfmtex, Feb 14, 2010.
I think DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW.
Have you been drinking?
I agree. Especially in CA. They have so much oil and wont touch it, even though they have a 541 billion deficit and are in a good deal of trouble.
Id rather see persuit of many more nuclear plants though.
I believe that we should use all of our energy resources. That means using oil, coal, nuclear, wind, solar... We need to see where these energy sources work best and use them. I do not believe that we can do away with oil, nuclear energy or any energy resources. We just need to apply them where they work the best. Wind is fine too. Did you see where in MN they froze because it was too cold? We need innovative ideas and NOT POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. This idea that we are going to save the world with CAP 'N' TRADE is ludicrous. These programs are nothing more than a government take over and tax programs. Let the innovator, inventors and businesses find the solution. Get out of their way and we can have it all and still save the Earth.
How about uncapping all of those oil wells in Texas first ??
There's a French company that has developed a way to reduce Nuclear waste by 95%. They have been remotely connected to a Massachusetts based engineering company for years. The technology is already available for us to stop giving money to countries who hate us. Wind, solar, nuclear all should be used more before drilling should be considered the only answer.
To just drill is like having a credit card and saying Spend Baby, Spend and not worrying about conserving. It's a recipe for failure. Sometimes in life it pays to look at ways to solve your problems and not just look at a quick fix. We all know quick fixes NEVER solve anything.
How are we suppose to take this post on Valentines day...
I disagree about the green stuff. Nuclear is the way to go. The rest is inefficient and expensive.
A typical nuclear power plant produces 1,000 megwatts of electricity per hour.
At 25 megawatts to 1500 acres for a nice wind farm of 60 to 70 turbines, you would need 60,000 acres and 2400 to 2800 wind turbines to equal 1,000 megawatts. Of course, these wind turbines only produce that much power when the wind is blowing just right. That only happens about 25% of the time, so you really need four times as many wind turbines and four times as much space to produce, on average, 1,000 megawatts of electricity per hour. So that's, 240,000 acres and 9,600 to 11,200 turbines. 240,000 acres is 375 square miles.
At 5 acres of solar panels per megawatt, you need 5,000 acres of solar panels to equal 1,000 megawatts of electricity. Those solar panels only work at peak power levels during the sunny times, so on average, they only put out about 25% of their rated capacity. That means you really need 20,000 acres of solar panels to generate 1,000 megwatts of electricity per hour on average. 20,000 acres is 31.25 square miles.
We aren't going to put them anywhere. They are way too expensive and they don't provide a stable enough power supply to rely on. Anyplace with enough open spaces, enough wind or sun shine to be a good candidate is too far away from the east and west coasts where that power is needed most.
By comparison, the Fermi nuclear power plant near Monroe, Michigan sits on a site of about 2 square miles and produces 1,150 megawatts of electricity 24 hours a day for 18 months straight. Then it needs to be shut down for a month for maintenance and refueling and it can go right back to making power 24 hours a day, rain or shine. They are even thinking about adding another reactor that will double the output of the plant on the same amount of land.
Don't you know why we're not drilling?
The story in the Middle East is that we're "hoarding" our oil and buying theirs - so that later we'll be the only country with oil. They're just selling theirs now because they HAVE to since they have no other source of income.
I dont think we do either.
Dude! Sit down the Kool-Aid and back away from it. Then turn off FoxNoise and Lush Rumbaugh and go out side and look at all the capped off oil wells. They are everywhere.
There is no shortage of oil.
I completely agree on using modern nuclear power. If it makes you feel better to put it in the middle of nowhere so it's "safe" then fine. If we used nukes to generate electricity instead of fossil fuels we could free up fossil fuels for transportation until better electric cars are developed. The decreased demand would also wreak havoc on the price of oil so we would be driving cheaper in the meantime.
I would turn off FOX and Glenn and Rush but I really want to know what is going on in our government. And seeing is how these and a few others are the only place I can get the news I will have to continue to listen to them and make up my own mind. My comment was more or less directed at using our own oil and other resources for energy.
Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
My Biggest problem with Nuclear power is the waste, if they get a good handle on that
I think we need consumer level solar/wind combos to ease grid strain as well.
and when electrical storage gets to a price reliability capacity point we can have great electric vehicles, and save Oil for feed stock.
I dont want to pay for $4.00 gal gas but there was a lot of energy on non crude oil power sources when that was the norm.
I've never quite figured out why we depend on the Arabs when we have our own. Only answer I can come up with is that somebodies pockets are getting stuffed.
America needs the jobs. The Arabs need their income to be restricted. That can be done with market forces. Why are we helping Iran and Russia by inflating the price of oil?
Its not that simple. Where are all these capped wells?
There IS a shortage of cheap oil that is easy to produce. The oil that lies ahead is expensive to produce.
I agree, but realize that oil produced here is sold on the world market.