double barrel "coach" gun

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  1. needmorebullets

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    Anyone have on of these for home defense, or are they not a good idea compared to a pump? (18 inch barrel)

    I have a mossberg 500 which I like, and is good for home defense. I've never fired a double barrel, but something about it is impressive. I'm not looking at replacing the 500 but wander what thoughts others have on these.

    Look forward to hearing any views.
     
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    I have a Baikal (Spartan) coach gun w/ internal hammers and double triggers. It has 20" barrels and chokes. It is very light and handy. Unfortunately with shotguns, the lighter they are, the more they hurt to shoot. This is especially true as it doesn't have any sort of recoil pad. It also obviously only holds two rounds. Most of them are made for use in cowboy matches and the rules do not allow them to have ejectors (they make the empties go flying out when it is opened), they only have extractors (just lifts them up a little bit so they can be removed by hand) so it makes for pretty slow reloads unless you REALLY know what you are doing.

    They are neat, but IMO an 18" pump like and 870 would make a MUCH better home defense shottie, but the coach guns sure are better than nothing.
     

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    as intimidating as racking the slide on a pump is earing back the hammers on a double barrel coach gun.

    if you're looking at the gun, you ain't happy. you can get from 8 to 15 00 buckshot in a 12 gauge shell.

    that's ONE barrel. so 16 to 30 00 buck, .. mmm.

    no, that's not ignorable from the front side.

    now whether you'ld be FAST ENOUGH with it.. for a BIG crowd..

    just for the record, go look it up, the gun that killed more people than any other in the wild wild west was a 12 gauge SINGLE BARREL shotgun.

    yeah. colt 45 and all, the gun that KILLED people, was yer trusty shootin' arn one shot 12 gauge.

    two is better. :)
     
  4. needmorebullets

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I suppose reloading (without a lot of pratice) could be quite slow.

    Wouldn't have guessed that single shot twelve gauge would have that record, but then again, misses with it are probably quite low, and nothing as lethal as twelve gauge close up.
     
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    I have a Baikal 20 inch double 12ga with double triggers.

    I also have a Mossberg 500 12ga with a Butler Creek folding stock and 18.5 in barrel.

    I learned after getting a Mosin Nagant that recoil pads worn on your sholder work! Get one. $20 or so at Walmart. I can go to the range and shoot 100rnds of buckshot or 7.62X54 if I want.

    If you ever need the fun in a defense situation, the recoil won't be an issue.

    The nice thing about a double rifle is it's easier to tuck in to keep the muzzle close to your body. It's overall length is shorter too because it has no long reciever.

    Rounding corners, should you need to (and it's to be avoided) is much easier for me with the coach gun.

    You'll also find it's easier to hold and point the coach gun with one hand than a pump. You can even shoulder the coach on either shoulder one handed and know you have two shots without needing your other hand. This is important as your other hand my have a child, phone, light, or pistol in it.

    I wouldn't plan on reloading the coach gun in a fight. I'd dump it once empty and grab a rifle or pistol.

    Pumps are fine but I'll never buy another pump shotgun. I like double barrels and semi-autos now.

    Ron3
     
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    Lots of other pots here on GT and as many opinions.;)
     
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    The original "coach guns" that won the west were actually double-barreled, exposed-hammer, double-trigger 10-gauge shotguns shooting paper-hulled, blackpowder shells.

    These were the standard security gun used by train guards, stagecoach guards, bank guards, and civilian storekeepers.

    Modern shells give 12-gauge almost as much effectiveness and old-fashioned 10-gauge, so 10-gauge is no longer common except maybe in limited use for turkey or waterfowl hunting -- and even there , the 12-gauge 3.5" shells have just about taken over.

    But if a replica gun company that caters to the Cowboy Action Shooting folks would bring out a faithful replica of the old 10-gauge coach gun, and some modern blackpowder shells and/or smokeless shells at blackpowder velocities, I think this would be a great toy to play with at the range, and for CAS matches specifically for 10-gauge.

    Hey, we have replicas of about everything else, so why not a real 10-gauge coach gun?

    -ET
     
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    Doesn't have to be a side by side;)

    My BREDA o/u with 16" Barrel:)

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    They had internal hammer shotguns back then too.



    Coach guns are good for close in fights that are not long exchanges of fire. Any idiot can figure them out, which is why they apparently were a popular detective gun back in the day (40s and 50s) because detectives didn't shoot as much, they were shorter and handier and intimidating for raids.

    But if you need that third shot and you fumble.....you're screwed.

    Pumps and semis allow continuity, i.e load one shoot one while still having a round chambered and ready to fire immediately. You can top off. Harder with a double.

    They definitely have a place for some things, but I prefer to stick with a short pump.
     
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    I'm thinking of getting my wife a coch gun in 20g. Loaded with buck shot I think it'd work quite well.

    Mike
     
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    I had a 20" double-barreled, exposed-hammer, double-trigger 12 GA years ago that I sold to a buddy's dad for $150. I think it was a Rossi and it was a great gun. I can't tell you how many 1000's of rounds I put through it. I sure wish I had it back but his dad won't part with it. At least I still get to shoot it from time to time.
     
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    If he is seeing you ear the hammer back or rack the slide you are already behind the power curve. The first thing you should do when you grab that gun is make it ready to fire. Don't wait for a hollywood moment to rack the slide to get your point across that just stupid. If you need a gun you need it loaded now.
    Pat
     
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    Been looking of one of these for some time. I picked it up at Hero Arms, South Hero, VT on Friday when the wife and I went leaf peeping.
    http://www.herosarms.com/
    He has 2 more in stock. One that was cleaned up for the pictures on his web site, and one is NIB and covered in the grease (like mine was) that it was shipped in. $425

    Colt 1878 TTN Reproduction Coach Gun, Hammers, DT, 12 Ga. 3", 20" Cylinder Bbls., NIB

    This reproduction of a Colt 1878 Model SxS Hammer Shotgun was made in China specifically for Cowboy Action shooting. It is, as far as I can tell, an absolutely authentic copy of the Colt 1878 which Hero's Arms sold to the importer in 2002, which they subsequently sent to China. The variance from the original are principally for safety in that it has fluid steel barrels, instead of Damascus, and 3" chambers for modern shells. It is built to a very high standard, both barrels are an absolutely straight .733" inside diameter, unusual on all but the highest quality guns, the wood to metal fit is excellent, and the gun functioned flawlessly for a round of skeet. As with the original there is no safety, aside from not cocking the hammers. Again, as with the original it has a very large drop at the comb and heel, and a steel buttplate. This should be a very authentic Old West style coach gun for Cowboy Action shooting. It could also be a reasonable home defense gun because the hammers provide a visible indication of cocking.


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    I have a friend who travels from New Mexico to cali frequently and carries a double in his vehicle. He believes its benign enough that he could carry it into the motel rooms and keep it loaded for burglars without as much trouble as he might with a handgun or one of his several SKS's he keeps around the house.
     
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    That actually looks kinda cool.
     
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    I have seen some double barrel 10 gauges in gun stores and at a pawn shop, but it would have to be cut down to be a coach gun. I can't recall who made them except that they were new.
     
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    That is a sweet looking O/U. I just have one question. I thought rifles and shotguns had to have 18" barrels or be registered with ATF? Please correct me if I'm wrong because I would love to have a 16" gun. I have a double I would love to shorten. :headscratch: