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Don't forget to defrag

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by dwhite, Feb 14, 2005.

  1. dwhite

    dwhite

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    Do not forget to defrag your machine at least once a week

    run adaware and window washer also

    these 3 little tips can keep your PC going good for a long time :)
     
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    NTFS doesn't need to be defragged.
     
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    I defrag with disk keeper on ntsf and it makes a huge difference
    I have always defragged once a week since windows 3.11 :)
     
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    Sgt. Schultz Annoying Member

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    Sorry but that’s a common misconception, heavily fragmented volumes do not perform as well as volumes that are defragmented regularly. NTFS performance is affected by many factors, such as cluster size, fragmentation level, and the use of programs such as antivirus software. You can optimize the performance of NTFS volumes by running the Disk Defragmenter weekly during idle times.
     
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    NTFS actually fragments quicker with file deletions and simple file movements then FAT32

    In summary
    512 byte clusters ==> Increases fragmenation, reduces wasted disk space. Slows NTFS' overall speed due to file system overhead.


    4kb or greater clusters ==> Reduces fragmentation, increases wasted disk space. Increases NTFS' overall speed due to reducded file system overhead.

    so a defrag never hurts :)
     
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    proguncali 1911-2004 CLM

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  8. bohr

    bohr rm -rf /

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    Maybe for mission critical servers, but then I pose the question of why would you use a filesystem that needs to be defragged for such purposes?

    Degragmenting is a child of the 3.1/95/98 days. On an NTFS it is a waste of time.

    ETA: It may improve minor things, but I pose the challenge of proving that it increases a noticable performance difference on your home pc.
     
  9. RaiderRodney

    RaiderRodney Just Win Baby

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    Lol, ok. When I upgraded my system (ok oc'd and put better cooling ;f ) I ran 3dmark03 and got around 9,500 and I was a little disappointed. I remembered I hadn't defragged in a bit. After diskeeper ran I got over 10,400.
     
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    Because NTFS is more stable then Fat32 also some of the perks of NTFS are security, file system recovery, etc ...



    It's true that NTFS is less prone to fragmentation than FAT, but it still occurs. While NTFS is a much more efficient file system and not subject to the same fragmentation as FAT, there is some indication that over time the NTFS Master File Table is affected by fragmentation. You still need to perform maintenance on an NTFS drive. Regular scandisks and defragging will increase your system reliability and speed, even on "home" systems.
     
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    Diskeeper 9.

    Set it and forget it. Runs in the background during idle sessions or scheduled when you want it to run.
     
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    fastvfr Ancient Tech

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    If NTFS never needed defragmented, the 'Analyze' query would always tell you it wasn't necessary.

    It is a weakness of ALL M$ OPERATING SYSTEMS that this occurs, and it can bring a system to its knees before long if it isn't done regularly.

    Now LINUX...Linux never needs defragged!!
     
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    Whenever I run Analyze in the defrag utility it always tells me that the drive does not need defragging.
    At what point will it tell you that your drive needs defragging?

    Sometimes when I'm at pcpitstop and run their suite of tests it would tell me to defrag yet the Windows defragger says I don't need to.;Q
     
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    Furant Millennium Member

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    I've read this before and never really understood why. It seems to me, with my LIMITED understanding of filesystems, that there could be some improvements by defragging. Or does Ext2, 3 and ReiserFS handle files in a totally different manner than FAT and NTFS?


    Before you post all the links DC, I'm googling this very topic right now ;a
     
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    I believe Mac OS X has a defragging utility.Linux has at least a file check that sorts out things on the hard drive.There are some other cleaning/maintainance utilities that aren't always present in Linux that should be.
     
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    Unless I don't understand how a disk drive works, all systems need some way to make files contiguous. Because when you delete a file or rm it it opens up a chunk of the drive and says to the OS, "HEY I'M FREE! WRITE HERE!" If you are writing a large file over a span of different places on the physical disk, you have fragmentation.

    So you are either going to want a utility that will either make your files contiguous or your free space contiguous. Does that make sense?

    Notice I'm not talking about the OS, I'm a self professed n00b in the UX world, but I do know a thing or three about disk systems.

    Plus I'm deadly sick and can't think very cogently.;g
     
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    haha ;)
     
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    What to do if your pc wont defragment? Says certain files could not be found.;P
     
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    I think I'd make sure my backups were up-to-date!