Does the Shotgun have a place in civilian home defense anymore?

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  1. Mr Meeseeks

    Mr Meeseeks

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    We know a 12 GA pump action shotgun has put down a lot of bad guys over the years. I’ll pose a simple question. Assuming you have an AR 15 with quality ammo, what does a shotgun offer that a rifle lacks?


    ETA, my recently cerakoted shorgun I posted in another thread. I think this thread has helped me mentally justify investing some time in shotgunning in general.
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  2. Trench Sweeper

    Trench Sweeper On the day of your birth death began stalking you

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    I think so. Myself in the small confines of most houses I would prefer a shotgun myself or a pistol. However, a shotgun is great for shooting down hallways or stairs. But for now it is a opinion. First time someone comes walking up my stairs toward the bedroom in the middle of the night I will be able to answer this question from experience.
     
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  3. evlbruce

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    Only in places with awful gun laws.
     
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  4. Pn3455

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    I really think the AR has taken over as the primary long gun for personal defense. However, the shotgun still has it beat on one aspect. The ability to change loads on the fly to vastly different projectiles. Not that most people will utilize this feature in a home protection gun.
     
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  5. jmohme

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    I would choose a shotgun over an AR for defense of a home intruder.
    I dont even own an AR or plan on owning one.
    I do have a handgun and a shotgun within reach as I type this.
     
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  6. Rocky7

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    I would suspect age and ability to maneuver has an impact as well as our view of what self defense means.

    Long ago, long arms.....rifles and shotguns were sold or gifted to others. Today a truly defensive posture finds handguns the choice, and fewer distractions to maintain.
     
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    I could see my wife being more effective at hitting a target under stress with a 20 gauge over an AR. Especially if she was only able to get one shot off.
     
  8. Mr Wasabi

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    I do and have shotguns in two rooms ready as well as an AR.
     
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    Very fond of my ARs and believe they are great for defense, particularly out at the ranch. However, for me personally, in the house in town I would prefer either my Glock or my Mossberg 12 gauge with the 18 inch barrel. It is the old "Depends on the situation; Depends on the individual."
     
  10. ActanonVerba70

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    Shotguns have a larger effective pattern when using shells with birdshot or buckshot. Especially at close range. Also more efficient for a moving target.
     
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    The famous home defense expert,Joe Biden states that all you need is a SxS shotgun and two rds. of birdshot. His expert opinion is to be considered in all defense circumstances.
     
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    I Think a shotgun is still very effective in an interior or urban setting, especially if backed up with a handgun. It may also be a better choice for less experienced shooters. It is also legal in more places. Although I have several ARs and AKs, my KSG is my go to long gun for in the house.
     
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    The above is where the short barreled shotgun shines in room/cqb style clearing. I have carried both daily for the past 22 years on duty. The M4 has precision, range but over penetration characteristics. The shotgun lacks long range but has forgiveness in accuracy if the operator is using buckshot (meaning the buckshot will still be devastating if operator's point of aim is off) as spread will get the bad guy.

    The shotgun may not be #1 anymore but it will always have a place in LE or home defense.
     
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    Give me OO Buckshot or give me death!!...(apologies to Patrick Henry)
     
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    The shotgun lacks "bullets" that will travel 5-6 hundred yards and possibly kill a neighbor 2 city blocks away.

    If you "live out of town" a rifle can be handy for stoping a bad guy, who is a little distance away, but like in my case for instance, any of the about half dozen loaded shotguns I have around the house will put all the Buckshot pellets in the Bad Guy out to over 30 yards away.

    And equipped with a good Laser/Light, the Buckshot will hit where the Laser Dot is.

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    I have both I think in my house im probably still grabbing my shotgun as when measured my furthest shot is about 22-25 feet in a line, id give the AR to the wife(or kid..well hes 21 this year so not a kid anymore i guess) as a backup
     
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    I like the idea of #4 buck shot. Sending two dozen .24 caliber pellets for each shot seems pretty effective.

    #00 buck also seems pretty Effective with its nine 38 caliber pellets.

    In both case the pellets are traveling at roughly pistol projectile velocity.

    My shotguns maintain a fairly tight shot column within 3-10 yards. You have to aim.

    I like that for the most part the shot is going to go where you aim it.

    I think in most cases a shotgun could effectively be deployed to defend life and home.

    My favorite personal defense shotgun in the FN SLP.

    The FN SLP Mark I, has a magazine capacity of 8+1+1 (one in the chamber one on the lifter). It can easily fire 2 shots per second.

    That translates into 18-50 handgun sized pellets at handgun velocities being fired every second.
     
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    It certainly does in my house. I’ve kept an 870 Police Mag in my bedroom for twenty years and don’t plan on changing it out anytime soon.
     
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    well depends on distance..a few years ago I actually measured out shooting distances and I came up with furthest was about 25 feet and most were 15 or less. there isnt a lot of "spread" with any kind of SD round at that distance that said I DO like that the SD shotgun with 4-00 buck is like hitting a bad guy with a burst from a AR all with 1 pull of the trigger..more shots(if you did your part) on target, thats always good!

    Now if I lived out of town and had a larger house or a yard I was going to investigate a noise in the back shed/barn///and id be shooting over 20 yards id take the AR..if I had a BIG house with large open sightlines id take the AR.
     
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    Only if your frame of reference is the mall ninja community. The shotgun is still the most effective for people who don't own coyote brown velcro covered "Molon Labe" plate carriers.
     
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