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Does anyone make training ammo that fails on purpose?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Adams454, Dec 24, 2012.

  1. Adams454

    Adams454

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    I'm thinking someone should make a line of ammo specifically for defensive training schools like Gunsite, etc. Maybe figure out how to load 10 rounds or so per 100 in a mixed bag with either dud primers, or barely enough powder to exit the barrel, but not cycle the gun. Of course it would have to be clearly marked for training only. But it seems like the random failures would actually help during a defensive course.

    I'm sure you would have to figure out how to minimize the liability, like maybe anodize the brass red or something. But I'm thinking there wouldn't be a lot of liability because the only people buying it would know what it's for.

    The reason I came up with the idea is because the guns I shoot regularly are so reliable, I don't get a lot of clearance practice. I've had my G27 for 5+ years and never had it jam.
     
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    HollowHead Firm member

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    Why not just stick a .40 SnapCap in the stack? That's what they did in the Personal Protection course I took. HH
     

  3. Adams454

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    I was thinking that would too off the person being trained. They would be looking for it in that mag. That's why I was thinking all the ammo should look the same.
     
  4. Ohio Cop

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    Have someone else load all of your mags and add in a few snap caps.

    Turn around and do 20 push-ups then stand and engage targets from contact distance. Each time you have a FTF; tap, rack and assess!

    We do this in training every now and again and it's amazing that some folks panic.

    Work the damn problem and stay in the fight!
     
  5. Evosil98

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    Snap caps has worked for me. But sometimes i have to close my eyes when i load my mags so I don't know which round it is.
     
  6. smokin762

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    I vote for the snap caps too. Easier to identiy in a stressful situation.
     
  7. HollowHead

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    You've never seen the guys at my range, have you? :rofl: HH
     
  8. Steve in PA

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    I mix dummy plastic rounds in my magazines all the time. I vary where the dummy round will be; second, third, next to last, etc. After loading the mags, I'll not look at them while putting them into my mag pouch. Yes, I know I loaded them with dummy rounds, but I have no idea where they are in a given mag.

    Like the other poster mentioned, have someone else load your mags.
     
  9. Kchur00

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    Bought a bullet puller and made my own dummy rounds from live ammo.

    Mix them around in some ammo without looking and load a magazine before target practice. Just keep count of how many you mixed in.
     
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    When I took the Appleseed course we had someone else load our mags with dummy rounds. It worked pretty well.
     
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    With my luck, I'll come up on one of my dummies when I need a real one most. You can't mistake red plastic... HH
     
  12. Steve in PA

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    I sure hope you pulled the primer or fired it before reassembling the round.

    A live primer will have enough force to lodged a bullet in your barrel. Been there, done that when I first started reloading. My one and only squib load in over 20 years of reloading (knock on wood).
     
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    I think purposely manufacturing defect ammo, even if it's clear that there are defective rounds for training purposes is a bad idea. A squib could be disasterous.

    Use snap-caps and have someone else load the mags.
     
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    samurairabbi Dungeon Schmuck

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    The possibility of a hangfire in one of the "hot" training rounds would nix your idea. When doing action drills with snapcaps in a live ammo mag, SOMEONE on the line must know when the next round will be a dummy; an immediate action drill in training on a hangfire is dangerous.
     
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    If you're going to carry a gun and act in the defense of yourself and your family you should be in some sort of okay physical condition.

    I'm not talking the elderly women carrying their husbands roscoes in their purse either.
     
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    Very bad idea because there is no formula that would guarantee that the bullet will exit and not cause a squib.
     
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    If you preload multiple mags when you go to the range, just stick them randomly into a couple of the mags. So you don't know which mag has them or where they will be in the mag.
     
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    I load cases with only a primer, no bullet.

    One way or the other I'll load the dud into the student's gun.

    Here's how it goes, like a couple months ago with a lady student..

    The student is shooting a 38 revolver that I had loaded.
    She shoots twice, then the third time there's just a "pop". The student looks at me.
    I say nothing.
    The student pulls the trigger again and the next round fires.
    I tell the student, "Shooting is over. I have to take you to the hospital. You fired the gun with a bullet stuck in the barrel from that dud round.".
    Then we reviewed what she had already been told about a bullet being stuck in the barrel from a dud or squib load.


    I have seen experienced shooters try to chamber a fresh round with a bullet stuck in the barrel, after firing a squib, or no powder load.
    I stopped them by yelling, "Don't fire, you have a bullet stuck in the barrel".
    The experienced shooter and another, near by, very experienced shooter did not believe me until they checked the barrel.
    They asked me, "How did you know?"
    I told them, "I heard the primer fire".


    This is one reason I'm not a big fan of Tap, Rack and Fire.
    It can be, Tap, Rack and Kaboom.


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    "Now was this a training round or not... wish I hadn't accidentally dropped it into my good ammo..."
     
  20. railfancwb

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    Buy bulk packs of .22LR and use in an appropriate clone or adapter. That will give ample failure clearing practice.