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Doctor Calls Police, CPS on Mother for Declining to Vaccinate Son

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by NorthCarolinaLiberty, Jan 25, 2012.

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  1. NorthCarolinaLiberty

    NorthCarolinaLiberty MentalDefective

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    A Pennsylvania mother, Rachel Garmon, declines her pediatrician's suggestion to vaccinate her 2 1/2 year old son. She has a discussion with the doctor and then is asked to sign a form acknowledging the harm that could come to her child without vaccines. She declines signing the document. She leaves.

    She visits her sister over the weekend. She comes home to find notes from the state police. She calls state police, who tell that the doctor said she refused to show ID at the office and was acting strangely. She also finds out the that police officer was accompanied by Child Protective Services (or, more accurately, CPS was accompanied by the state police). They ask Garmon's neighbor about the quality of Garmon's parenting.

    If you can ignore some of the silly talk radio theatrics, then at least listen to the first 5 minutes of the video.

    We have had GT discussions about the health aspects of vaccines, but this incident pushes it to a higher level. It is the idea of coercion meeting intimidation, and now being backed by the force of government.


    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl127_3BNKA"]Doctor Calls Police, CPS on Mother Who Refuses to Vaccinate Son 1/3 - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. *ASH*

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    what a crock .

    wife has a friend who at early age got some kinda shot , i think rubella i dunno but the kid had severe reaction within minutes was near death , the kid now is retarded and in wheel chair . walked in fine , came out a vegetable
     

  3. HollowHead

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    Paul53 All in all I'm just another brick in the wall.

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    Don't know who to believe here. I'm on the side of all immunizations for children. Parents can refuse them, but then their child could become ill, spread illness, and I'd not want non-immunized kids around mine.
    Immunizations pose less risk than being non-immunized. Don't se polio cases around anymore, and I have cared for a man in an iron lung before. You pays your money and yous takes your chances in life.
     
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    It's a choice, not a requirement. This is whats wrong with america, "Do this because I said so". My kids will be immunized because I think the pro's out-weigh the cons. My kids my choice, not a doctors, not official. MINE.
     
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    But if yours are immunized, what is the problem? It's called "herd immunity".
     
  8. AA#5

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    Logic works much better than emotion.

    You say you don't want non-immunized kids around your kids because you think they can spread illness to your kids.

    If you believe vaccines protect kids from illness, just vaccinate yours & you'll have nothing to fear from unvaccinated kids.

    I hear the same concern about flu shots - people saying they want everyone to get one because they feel unvaccinated people are putting others at risk. That indicates they don't have much confidence in the vaccine after all.
     
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    Thing is it becomes problematic if too many people rely on herd immunity. Herd immunity is supposed to be reserved for the very young, old, or otherwise immunocompromised, not healthy kids whos parents buy into the 'vaccines = evil' rhetoric. Vaccine reactions happen, but severe reactions aren't common at all.

    There's a general threshold of about 90% of the population (in the area) that has to be vaccinated against diseases, like polio (though it's 85% in polio) or diptheria (85% as well), for herd immunity to work. Go below that and then you start getting outbreaks. Get enough of it and it becomes endemic, epidemic, and so forth, and then immunization can be overwhelmed through excessive exposure.
     
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    Even if vaccines are 99% effective (don't know the actual stat), there's still a danger presented by the non-immunized. The rights of the few don't outweigh the rights of the many...unless your a socialist. HH
     
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    IMO That Dr. WAY overstepped his authority. He needs to be slapped down (counseled). Please keep us posted on the outcome of this.

    :steamed:
     
  12. Wake_jumper

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    Not surprising. Dr's are always pushing the latest vaccinations on us too.

    When I refuse, The Dr. acts like I just kicked his dog and I get the 3rd degree. Then he loads me up with scary pamphlets on the deadly consequences of not getting the shots. How is it that the third world, with little or no medical care at all, is so overpopulated? IMO, Dr's are just legal drug pushers.
     
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    Latest? Aren't the infant ones (MMR & polio, etc.) well over 50 years old? HH
     
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    This is foul logic and very bad math.
     
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    Oh, yes they do. You have been watching too much Star Trek. You would deny basic human rights based on some perceived need of the greater good? This is a slippery slope and leads to totalitarian state.
    It would be a simple matter to decide the same for a gun owner. The greater good decides that guns are not good for society in general and poof, no more guns.
     
  16. CAcop

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    How about if you don't vaccinate your child then health insurance companies don't have to pay for your child to be treated for those illnesses?
     
  17. goldenlight

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    Born of a truly scary degree of ignorance, or worse.
     
  18. KommieforniaGlocker

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    This would not have happened, the MD was covering his *** legally and ethically for liability reasons. So if little Johnny kicks the bucket from a disease that he could have been immunized (IE: H1N1) mommy can't come back crying asking, why......Doc did everything in his/her power to help/child.


    Most of you are right that it is your child, and It is your choice, but none of you smug individuals went to Medical school or have worked in environments where you have seen the results on a day to day basis of what the results are for either vaccinating your kids or not. You are making a very serious decision based largely on pseudoscience, and case studies that are the exception not the norm. God help your kids
     
  19. KommieforniaGlocker

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    If they are not willing to vaccinate their kids, what makes you think they will carry health insurance, its obvious they aren't the type to think about the future or unforeseen.
     
  20. KommieforniaGlocker

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    Un oh, you are using too much logic, wait til he gets done reading his wikipedia article to respond without sounding misinformed.
     
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