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do you include a DL# when selling firearms FTF?

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by SquackDaddy, Mar 19, 2010.

  1. SquackDaddy

    SquackDaddy NRA member

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    On another board I belong to, I'm getting semi-hammered for stating that I have no problem including my drivers license number on a firearms bill-of-sale. The others are saying that I'm just setting myself up for identity theft and that it is just a bad deal all around. Several have commented that me asking them to include this information on a bill of sale would definitely be a deal breaker for them. Which way do you go on this topic?
     
  2. bigeagle57

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    I have never provided or been asked to provide a DL #. I dont think it would be a deal breaker for me but I would prefer not to provide it. The only thing I ask for is Name, address, and a signature agreeing to the terms on the bill of sale.
     

  3. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    Wow - I've sold and traded plenty of guns in my life, but never had a bill of sale.
     
  4. dosei

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    On the one and only "internet" sale I've done thus far, I required a photocopy of the buyer's DL and a photocopy of the FFL license of the person/place I was sending it to. I took the gun to a local FFL, transferred it to him...who then mailed/transferred it to the other FFL, who transferred it to the final owner. On face to face sales, I take a picture of the buyers DL. If someone is wanting a trail-free firearm, I don't want to sell them anything and they won't want to buy from me.
     
  5. Glock-it-to-me

    Glock-it-to-me Catching liars

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    If the other party shows up in a car with Texas tags, it's a good sale to me.
     
  6. The Habit

    The Habit كافر

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    No, I do not provide any information beyond proving I'm a resident of my state, if the seller asks. I also require nothing from the buyer beyond proving residency. This entails a quick look at a driver's license. I have no use for additional paper trails. I've never had a buyer require a bill-of-sale.
     
  7. M2 Carbine

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    Adsoutely not.
    I tell the buyer/seller nothing and I ask for nothing.
    Swap money. Swap gun. Walk away.

    I love ending the paper trail on a gun.:) I bought a Colt FTF last week. I haven't a clue who the seller was and he doesn't know me.

    But I will bend a little and show the seller my CHL, while covering up the information, to show him I am a state resident and I am not a criminal.

    I am always amazed at the amount of information people will willingly give a stranger when it's not required.


    Bottom line. Follow the law and don't worry about it.
     
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  8. G36's Rule

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    Rather than post my own...

    +1
     
  9. Ol Timer

    Ol Timer ↓ hog hunter ↓ Millennium Member

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    I ask to see a DL, but only glance to see the photo matches the buyer. Fed regs require all transfers take place in the home state of the buyer.

    I do like Glock-it-to-me's approach. Just never thought of it before.
     
  10. Hines57

    Hines57 Simple Member

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    I sold a chain saw to a guy last week and I made him give me a certified copy of his birth certificate and passport.
     
  11. M2 Carbine

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    Now I can understand that with a chain saw, those things are dangerous.
     
  12. tampashooters

    tampashooters Shellback

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    Me either, but I do make the buyer show me a valid DL.
     
  13. DrMark

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    Nope, I don't care to provide that kind of info to strangers.

    I don't ever recall a "bill of sale" either. Flash a DL to verify state residency, and swap the cash-fer-gun.

    If anything seems "off" about the person or the sale, politely withdraw.
     
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    If I'm living in other state I will be happy not to turn in any prove of identity. But at mine, it's call felony.

    However, if it was long gun and C&R, we can choose not to show any ID.
     
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    Not sure about the exact law - maybe depends on the state.

    I thought the law in Texas was you can't sell a gun to someone

    IF YOU KNOW they can not legally buy one

    Which is not the same as

    Requiring you to verify they can legally buy a gun.

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    I have never sold a gun - but when I buy -- I always want the seller to provide me with his shoe size and a list of his favorite TV shows. :upeyes:
     
  16. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Ditto.
     
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    A person really can't do anything with the number if it is not your social security number. But I have never shown mine except to a ffl when buying a gun. If it is ftf I have never shown anything at all.
     
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    I always copy down the DL # of the person I'm selling to.
     
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    It's a double-edged sword selling face-to-face with a paper trail. Obviously you protect yourself if the gun ultimately prooves to be stolen or used in a crime.

    HOWEVER

    There just may come a time where it might be to your advantage to say "Sorry Mr. JBT but I sold them all face-to-face to guys I didn't ask for ID at the gunshow while it was still legal to do so. I didn't want to be a criminal so I made sure I sold them when I saw the XYZ legislation coming down the pike. Nope, no guns here anymore. I'm a good citizen."

    No paper trail allows deniability, which *might* come in handy some day in our future......
     
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    I must be missing something - what is the benefit of doing this? (I assume it is not required by law)