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Do the m1911s shoot as "soft" as a Glock m21? [recoil]

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Thirties, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. Thirties

    Thirties

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    I've shot a Glock model 21 .45acp, and it was a surprisingly soft-recoiling pistol.

    What would be my expectations of recoil in a model 1911 handgun; and are the different brands of 1911 pistols different in perceived recoil, assuming same barrel length, etc?

    Of course, I'm assuming similar ammo in all cases.
     
  2. Glocks&Ducs

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    I would say the recoil on a 1911 feels a bit more stout than the G21, but not at all unpleasant. That is comparing the G21 to a SA Mil-Spec, and a Taurus PT1911B. I will say this though, a beavertail goes a long way towards taming the recoil so it is closer in feel to the G21. I felt like a world of difference in my Mil-Spec, pre and post beavertail.
     

  3. lcarreau

    lcarreau Reload Artist

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    the g30/g21 is the softest shooting .45 around.

    -Lonnie
     
  4. epsylum

    epsylum Boolit Hoze

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    I own both a Glock 21 and a Glock 30. I also own a 1911 and have shot many others. IMO the 21/30 is one of the softest rcoiling .45s out there. So basically, no the 1911 is not as light recoiling as a Glock 21. It however is not bad at all. It has a bit more muzzle flip due to the higher bore axis, but nothing a good grip and proper stance cannot cure. Most 1911s however are excellent shooters and very accurate.

    There is just something about the way a 1911 shoots that makes you forget about its little shortcomings. At least that was my case (was a hardcore plastic-fantstic Glock man until I had a good amount of trigger time with a 1911, now I love both).
     
  5. 1911austin

    1911austin Senior Member

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    I'm a 1911 guy but have to admit the G21 has the lowest felt recoil of any .45 that I have shot
     
  6. Glockadict

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    I own a G21, and a STI Trojan in 45ACP. I love Glocks to death. My first 7 pistols were Glocks, but my Trojan is wonderful. In a shooting contest, it will bury my G21. With 1911's you have to find the one that is right for you. The weight, and the balance make my STI a pleasure to shoot. Not all 1911's feel the same shooting because they are made out of different metals. Scadnium, titanium, steel, and all different alloys. If you have a gun range that rents pistols, I would try a couple. I am fortunate enough that I work at a gun range part time, and we have Sprinfields, Para's, Kinmbers, STI's, Wilson Combat's, and many more 1911's for rent. I use a Glock as a carry pistol, and don't plan on changing anytime soon. My wife bought me my first 1911 (STI Trojan) last year for my birthday. I bought a Para 16-40 last month, and just ordered a STI Edge from Dawson Presicion today. Like Glock's 1911's become addicting.
     
  7. AKMIKEFMJ

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    The G-21 is one sweet shooting 45 ACP. The 1911 has a better trigger and lots of history behind it.
     
  8. ToyotaMan

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    You hit it right there for me. I started out with a Glock 19 and it is a great gun, very reliable and easy to maintain and use. But I hate the trigger.

    I love my 1911's trigger, but I feel like I must lovingly maintain the gun to keep it functioning properly. My Glock is like a beater truck that just won't quit.

    If there was a pistol made that had the rugged reliability of the Glock and the short, crisp trigger of the 1911, I'd be set.
     
  9. Chad Landry

    Chad Landry Cajunator® CLM

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    I haven't tried it yet, but the firing pin stop "mod" is supposed to reduce the recoil in a 1911 considerably.

    Have any of you tried it?

    I put "mod" in quotes because the retrofit is supposed to return this part of the 1911 to the original JMB design.

    It's a long thread, but I recommend reading it. I will do this retrofit when I get a chance.
     
  10. AQV396

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    I own both and both of them get range time and are a blast to shoot. My 1911s are more accurate in my hands but the G21 is one soft shooting .45.
     
  11. auto45

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    I've shot the Glock 30 and thought it had more muzzle flip than a 5" 1911. Perhaps not a fair comparison.

    A doublestack 1911, wider grip, should give you "less" felt recoil than a singlestack 1911. Heavier guns "recoil" less so I'm not sure how a Glock 21 would be softer than a doublestack 1911? But, I haven't shot them side by side on the same day!

    If you hold the 1911 with a "highgrip" and thumb on safety, the muzzle rise is minimal. Low grip, thumbs down...more muzzle flip!
     
  12. ArmoryDoc

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    The 1911 has a higher bore axis and given the fact that it is a single stack, this leaves less grip width to disperse the recoil energy across the hand. As a result of these, the recoil feels a little sharper with the 1911.

    I still love 'em.
     
  13. richardoldfield

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    Let me skirt the issue and tell a story. When I started with 1911s I preceived the violence of the slide action as recoil. I went out and bought a shooting glove and soon found the purchase to be a waste of money. After you shoot the 1911 for a while you realize it is a kitty cat. I really do not notice a lot of difference between the recoil of a 357 Sig, 40 S&W, or 45acp. When you reach the 44 Mag level you do start to get my attention. Regards, Richard :supergrin:
     
  14. spober

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    i can shoot a 1911 goverment better than a g21.the g21 is gonna be lighter even with 14 rounds vs 7 in the 1911.
    i always notice the blast big boom bang more than recoil in a 45 acp.my 3 inch Kimber UC barks when i fire the mighty 45 acp round.barks out of my govment model too!
     
  15. Baba Louie

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    I've always felt that the wider, polymer grip of the 21/30 helps flex a bit besides spreading any forces out whereas the thinner, metal grip/frame of a 1911 tends to "focus" felt force into a narrower area.

    I could be wrong, but that's my perceived take on the subject. So, to me, the answer, like the others, is NO... 1911's do not shoot as soft as a Glock 21.
     
  16. freepatriot

    freepatriot Retired GT Mod Moderator

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    Come to South Florida, shoot mine and find out :supergrin: :supergrin: :supergrin:
     
  17. Short Cut

    Short Cut PatrioticMember CLM

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    A feel more recoil from a 1911 which to me is felt mainly as greater twist.
     
  18. arnold ziffle

    arnold ziffle aka dingle

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    toyotaman there is what you are looking for. the hk usp tactical or expert. i have an expert and it is as accurate as my les baer and runs like a glock.
     
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    freepatriot Retired GT Mod Moderator

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    http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=13060


    I have fitted the part on the Colt. Have not taken it to the range yet. Supposed to turn a 1911 into a VERY soft-shooting gun (something I already thought it was).
     
  20. Chad Landry

    Chad Landry Cajunator® CLM

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    Yep, that's the one. The part is on it's way to my house, and I plan to fit it and test it as soon as I can.

    Does it make the slide noticeably more difficult to pull back?