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Do all 1911 barrels have links?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Dobie, Mar 13, 2010.

  1. Dobie

    Dobie

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    I havent owned a 1911 platform gun in 20+ years and was wondering about evolutions in the basic design. I see there are fully ramped barrels but do all still use the link? I always considered it a weakness VS newer cammed designed pistols. Not intended to upset the purist just my take.
    Please catch me up on this.
     
  2. gconan

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    Yes, they all still have the link.
     

  3. Dobie

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    Thanks, some things dont change.

    I daydream about a TRP for range duty even though my carry pieces are Glocks. :cool:
     
  4. bac1023

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    No link, no 1911.
     
  5. Eyescream

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    I think it depends on your definition of "1911", but there are pistols out there that advertise having "linkless barrels" with traditional 1911 firing controls, like the STI LS. Instead of a link and bushing with the barrel lugs locking to the slide, the barrel lug is on the bottom and locks into the guide rod.
     
  6. MoNsTeR

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    Briley makes (or made, once upon a time) a linkless barrel. It requires machining special camming surfaces into the frame. I own one and it works well enough, though I can't say I see any advantage to it.
     
  7. bac1023

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    True.

    I don't consider the LS a 1911 at all.

    It doesn't even use a 1911 frame.
     
  8. Makoman

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    Unless of course you want to argue as some due, that the Browning Hi-Power is an "upgraded" 1911.
     
  9. bac1023

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    The Hi-Power has some design improvements, the linkless barrel being one of them.

    That said, its no upgraded 1911.
     
  10. Makoman

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    No it's not, But this is!!!!!!!!!





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  11. remat

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    Actually there are linkless 1911's. Peters Stahl is the only current design I can think of.

    However, in the past they were more prevalent. Here are some promo literature shots from Springfield. Offered not only in the Omega but standard 1911's too. I actually had the choice of link or linkless when I bought mine in 1990 (although I chose with link). There are some folks on 10mmtalk with pics of their linkless though.

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  12. IraIII

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    Sometimes. Here are a few pics of my Springfield Armory Omega, which is the linkless system. This one is in 10mm and is a 6 inch ported barrel slide. Since it is a true 1911 frame I am fitting a Springfield 5 inch 45 slide to the frame. The Omega was designed as a multiple caliber pistol, by changing just barrel, and magazine you could go to 10 mm, 45, 38 super, 9mm I think. The breechface wasn't a problem due to the dual extractors, one on each side.
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  13. Jim Watson

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    I take a firm, although not collector's position.
    If it will not interchange parts with a USGI service pistol, it isn't a 1911.
    Maybe the Peter Stahl system works, but the gun just looks like a 1911 externally.
    I had the similar Jarvis Kam Lok barrel put in a gun, but the machining converted it from a 1911 to Something Else. (I later had it converted back to normal operation. Fortunately a machinist helped me out and my gunsmith cut me some slack. At full prices, the gun would have been scrap.
     
  14. glock2740

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    Maybe the STI LS is "the missing link":rofl:
     
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    Not sure what you are talking about. When I bought my standard (not an Omega) SA1911 I had a the option of link or linkless. The only parts difference was the barrel/cam/link system. All of the other parts are 1911 parts, we are not talking about just looking cosmetically like a 1911 they are 1911's -- same slide and frame as my regular one.
     
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  16. IraIII

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    The pics that I posted were of my Springfield omega linkless system, and the same frame trigger with a Springfield 1911 topend. The fitting I referred to was done on the slide for clearance of the 10mm ejector. The ejector for a 10mm is closer to the centerline of the pistol than is a 45. If I had changed to a 45 ejector the slide would have fit without any modifications, but I wanted the option of changing from 10mm to 45 without tools, and quickly. The Omega topend may not be 1911, but the frame definitely is.
     
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  17. Eyescream

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    So how does it shoot compared to a "normal" 1911?
     
  18. IraIII

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    !0 mm can be pretty hot, but most are not. I would say it shoots about the same as 45 in this as it's 6 inch barrel/slide is heavier than normal. Also the barrel and slide is factory ported .
     
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    I think I'm confused about what the purpose of the second extractor is on the side opposite the ejection port.
     
  20. nolt

    nolt DONT PANIC!

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    theyre 1911oids