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Do 4" barrels bring decreased reliability and if so, why?

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by outback45, Jun 9, 2011.

  1. outback45

    outback45

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    Someone mentioned this to me when I was looking for brand recommendations. He suggested that with 4" barrels you could sometimes end up with a dud. Is this a real phenomenon, and if so, what is the mechanical reason for it if known? I'd much prefer the smaller profile for CCW, but not if the 5" is more reliable. Thanks.
     
  2. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    The further you stray from a 5" 1911l & do not use ball ammo, the less reliable it can become.
     

  3. BuckyP

    BuckyP Lifetime Member

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    One of the limiting factors in shortening a 1911 is the locking mechanism. By having the locking lugs forward of the chamber, you are limited to how far back the slide can travel. Compare that to a GLOCK, whereas the lockup is at the chamber, the slide can have more movement on an equal length barrel when compared to a 1911.

    That being said, there are reliable 4" and even 3" guns out there. Personally, I like to stick to commander length (4.25") or longer. For concealment, you could consider a commander length slide with an officers size grip, since the grip is typically the part that prints the most. :dunno:
     
  4. outback45

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    I see. Thank you for the explanation. I wouldn't have a problem going 4.25.
     
  5. MD357

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    If the 4" gun is properly spec'ed out then there should be no problems. See Les Baer on how NOT to do this.
     
  6. Hokie1911

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    Was waiting for this comment. :rofl:
     
  7. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    But he DOES have a very good point! :tongueout:
     
  8. Hokie1911

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    Didn't say I disagree. :eric:

    I personally wouldn't buy anything less than a 5" Baer. That's just me. Others have had good luck with theirs.
     
  9. Nickpisp

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    I heard on the interweb that Baer no longer makes 4" slingshots, is this true?







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  10. outback45

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    I see. If you don't think Baer makes great sub-sized 1911's. Then who in your opinion does? Duh, I end up editing my posts a million times. You have an Ed Brown Kobra Carry.
     
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    Is it wrong that regardless of everything I have read about Baers I still want a Stinger and maybe a Mono Commanche?
     
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    Baers' with less than 5" slides are known to have problems. Anytime someone asks about smaller guns someone will bring it up.

    And since you edited your post= Just about every other manufacturer.:rofl:
     
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  13. INJoker

    INJoker Simply Charming

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    What about an STI Ranger II?
     
  14. Hokie1911

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    Was waiting for it because I know that MD is a dik. We can smell our own kind. :supergrin:

    You will get a lot of differing opinions on this. Me personally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a 5" Baer. Do I have any experience with Baer at all...no. Just one man's opinion based on what I've read and heard from people who's opinions that I respect.

    For a 4.25" gun, and again...my opinion only, among the semi-custom builders, I would choose Brown or Wilson first, or perhaps a Guncrafter.
     
  15. G27RR

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    I have and would recommend any of these sub 5" 1911s...

    STI Shadow .45, 3" (my everyday carry)
    STI Escort .45, 3"
    STI Ranger II .45, 4.15"
    STI Ranger II 9mm, 4.15"
    Colt Defender .45, 3" (but having both I'd go STI over the Colt because it is put together a little better and has more features at a similar price point)

    I had and would not recommend this one due to poor reliability, even after a factory service. It also had a poor finish.
    Kimber Super Carry Pro .45, 4"
     
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  16. Hokie1911

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    There isn't another 4.25" that I would choose at $1k or less than the Ranger2. Great gun.
     
  17. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    I'd love to see Les' response.
     
  18. Hokie1911

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    It would go something like this...

    "You little piece of sh1t. You said WHAT about my gun???"

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  19. cole

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    This. Less slide mass and shorter slide travel allow less margin for error. I have a 4" Kimber Series I that runs great. And, I believe bushingless is the way to go 4" and under. I'd be wary of a 3" regardless of other reports and think dropping 1" in the barrel for CCW is not as important as reducing the grip. Plus, I want my guns to be shooters and a 3" .45acp with an aluminum frame ain't it. For a true shooter nice, tight 5" with a bushing all the way. For greater reliability, a nice, somewhat tight 5" with a bushing.
     
  20. outback45

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    Thanks for all the info. This is helpful to me. I don't know if I can pull off a full-size. But I have more knowledge to go on now.