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Dissapointment, ever since i shot my model 20

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by clogspecialist, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Giggity-Giggity

    Giggity-Giggity Giggity-Goo!!!

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    It's not the gun, it's the shooter's small hands gripping a large grip. Next time, try before you buy.
     
  2. clogspecialist

    clogspecialist 10-head

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    why do you assume i am a new shooter? I am definetely by no means new to handgun shooting or handgun target practice, although i have never went through qualification training, I feel that it would be a waste of money for me personally as i have honed the BASIC skills very well (examples: focus on the front sight, squeeze the grip tightly but not too tightly, learn your weapons trigger pull and use it right, proper bend in the elbows and knees when shooting, slightly leaning forward, etc..)

    Also, i have not spent thousands on firearms and ammo? If i bought a Glock and not a Kimber or CZ, and have shot only 400rds through the weapon, OBVIOUSLY i am on a budget, i appreciate the nod towards training, but i don't need it buddy. Need a set of bigger hands.
     

  3. clogspecialist

    clogspecialist 10-head

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    HAhahaha sorry couldn't help but laugh, no i am not a female. My body is built like a female's? have we met before? I believe not

    I am not going to get into a p!ssing match with you, but i guess in the eyes of idiots, small men with small hands have breasts, a ******, and a high fat ratio.

    why did i go with a 10mm, well because in my eyes it is the overall ballistically best handgun cartridge of this day. I realize i should have gone with a .40, but it definetely wouldnt be a glock.
     
  4. ScottieG59

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    One thing to consider is that the ergonomic design of the Glock grip works best if you adapt you hands to allow it to work. The Glock is designed to allow a full 360 degree hand contact, IF you hold it right. When you get you grip right, it will feel much different.

    Your shooting hand should be fairly high with the thumb along the side pointing forward. Your supporting hand thumb joint closest to the hand should align just under the shooting hand thumb middle joint. At the point where the two thumbs come together, slightly pivot the supporting down and wrap the fingers around the shooting hand fingers and keep the thump pointing forward.

    I am sure someone can find a YouTube demo of this that explains this better.

    When you get the grip and trigger work right on the Glock 20, you will see how incredible it really is. Just get your grip right according to the Glock design and you will have the full 360 degree coverage. Your hands are probably large enough to do it.
     
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  5. clogspecialist

    clogspecialist 10-head

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    I appreciate all the feedback and advise, whether idiodic or valuable.

    Update-

    I havent been shooting the Glock20 much at all, Because of the economy and my vehicles terrible fuel efficiency (10mpg around town, and no, it is not a big old f350). I was recently focused on trading the handgun for something else in a more economic cartridge, but i think i will just buckle up and get as use to the glock as possible. I know some of you are retired LEO or have a lot of cash hanging around and buy a new firearm every week, but i buy a firearm for its flexibility- one of the reasons i practice shooting handguns at 25yards (and 50yds), as well as bolt action rifles at 35yds (and 350yds). I appreciate all the info and advice, but i am at peace with my glock now, just am going to shoot and shoot and shoot until i fully master the handgun. Although i still may replace the sights!
     
  6. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Don't forget to try it from a bench rest first to see if the gun is actually accurate.

    If you don't get good groups from a bench, then it will raise other questions worth looking at about the gun itself :)
     
  7. barth

    barth six barrels

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    I have four or five kinds of handgun sights.
    Maybe I do have too much time and money on my hands.
    But I far and away love XS Sytems Big Dots the best.

    Make sure you add these to your short list of sights
    if you decide to replace them.
     
  8. wlkjr

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    I'm sure in time with more practice, you'll feel better about your choice. With the money you save by not trading, you should be able to buy enough ammo to get really proficent. For self defense a 20 foot shot should suffice. Anything closer than that you can hit the sob over the head with a G20 and kill him.:supergrin:
     
  9. arushus

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    Dont forget to try some underwood ammo.
     
  10. Taterhead

    Taterhead Counting Beans

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    Good plan. I find the G20 to group very well. The grip is chunky, but I have adapted to it. Granted, I have owned my G20 for several years. I feel very comfortable with it. My hands could not be described as large by any means.

    If you have not yet done so, save some money and invest in a loading setup. If ever there was a semi-auto cartridge that called for reloading, it is the mighty 10mm. There is nothing unaffordable about shooting 10mm if you reload. You will break even very quickly. Plus you can really exploit the versatility of this fine cartridge.

    Have fun. The G20 is a really great platform.
     
  11. harleytech

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    That's what I did...
    Same size, smaller backstrap...:wavey:
     
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  12. ArmyDoc

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    Because it's fun. It is also well within the capability of the weapon. With my RMR site I can put 10/10 onto a 6 inch target at 50 yards, and 6/10 at 75 yards. I can even tag an 8 inc gong at 100 yards 1-2/10. I am not a great shot. Someone like Hickock45 (check out youtube) can hit at 200 yards with iron sites.
     
  13. ArmyDoc

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    If your having trouble keeping the group to 4 inches at 50 yards, and can do so with a different pistol, I would agree your problem is with this particular pistol.

    First thing I would do is to have someone else who can shoot use it. If they have no problems, I would say you are correct, it is the size of the grip that is giving you trouble.

    Couple of solutions:
    1) Try a G20 SF and see how that feels to you. If it fits better, you could sell your G20 and get one of these.
    2) You could get a G21 gen4. A 45-10mm conversion barrel and your G20 mags will give you the best of both worlds. For that matter, your G20 barrel will drop into it also. Yes, a conversion barrel would be better but you can check out the lengthy thread on 10 ring - the G20 barrel will work too.

    One other solution you might consider. (Warning Glocktalk blasphemy alert!) If you like the 1911 frame, why not just trade your G20 for a Colt delta elite?
     
  14. ronin.45

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    Sounds like in all your research you should have decided on the 20sf. Since the short frame models have been introduced I don't know why anyone gets the big grip. I have big hands and still prefer the short frame.

    Starting at 25 yards is not necessarily the best idea either. If you just got your first race car you wouldn't immediately try to run laps at top speed. Work your way out to 25. Get used to the gun at closer range. Once you can group at 10 yards then move out.

    A trigger job is a must on all my Glocks and that may help you a bunch. The sights are perfectly adequate out to 100 unless you just want something different.
     
  15. Wolf Spyder

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    OP, Forget most of what has been posted above.

    If you want to shoot better it boils down to two things. Proper sight picture and trigger control.

    Dry fire practice can help. I make sure the pistol is empty and I practise dry firing using my TV. I aim at the people on the screen and I practise smooth take-up and then smooth trigger manipulation through trigger activation and firearm discharge.

    You must be careful.

    However, it works, trust me I know.

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  16. wlkjr

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    I have some snap caps for dry firing.
     
  17. jl1288

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    This exactly, if you can hit at 25 plus yards and have mastered the basics that will allow you to do so, hits up close will come much easier. I taught my sons to shoot on rifles with iron sights, and when they were young and introduced to handguns the distance was opened up as they became more proficient.