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DISADVANTAGES of Glock trigger mechanism

Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by xm8k36d, Apr 10, 2004.

  1. xm8k36d

    xm8k36d

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    1,It cannot prevent out-of-battery fires.The striker MAY not have enough force to fire the cartridge in that condition,but this is not sure enough.
    2,Glock is actually an SA pistol.When you meet with a dud round you have to carefully pull the slide a bit,if you don't wanna waste the round.For SA pistols with hammers cocking the hammer seems much more convenient.
    3,Glock's firing pin is very complex,with five parts actually.CZ100 has similar hammerless system but it uses a "two-piece" firing pin with the firing pin body holding (surrounding) the spring.
    But perhaps the 3rd point is not a disadvantage,for Glock's design can reduce the contact between the firing pin body and the slide,and the pin is lighter and also stronger than CZ100's,I suppose.
    Of course Glock has too many advantages,but here I only wanna point out its disadvantages FOR DISCUSSING.Perhaps I'm wrong,then please point that out.I'm eager to learn EVERYTHING about Glock
     
  2. r2kba

    r2kba Relax

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    Wrong forum....but I think you've been fed a lot of mis-info on the glock. Theres no simpler gun around.
     

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    are the people who dont like it.
    thats why Ice cream comes in so many flavors, find one you like.
    for me its Chocolate and a GLOCK.
     
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  5. dhoomonyou

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    Well said my friend, well said !

    ~CoLd


    THANKS!
     
  6. UZIFORME

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    One advantage to the glock system is you can do this with no permanant modification to the host gun. A simple installation of a full auto backplate and you be Gonin Gangsta.


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  7. xm8k36d

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    I just wanna have a discuss...
    And what I wrote were all really things rare to happen.

    If I'm mistaken,please point out.
     
  8. xm8k36d

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    Not a person is telling me how I was wrong,if I really was....
     
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    darthskeeter Junior Sheepdog

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    Denial is the first sign of Kool-Aid poisoning...
     
  10. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    if you have a round that doesnt go bang, how sure are you that a second strike to the primer is going to light it off? Id much rather rack the slide, get a fresh round up there and jam on.... of course - you can repeatedly pull the trigger on a bad round - what if it never fires? its a free country - do whatever you like

    huh? well.... I cant really say that I have been worried too much about the firing pin or one of those 5 parts

    maybe tonite Ill have nightmares about my spring cups breaking
     
  11. xm8k36d

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    Yes,I also saw an article in our magazine,saying in combat condition you should rack the slide at once if you meet with a dud round.
    But with a DA trigger pulling the trigger once more may save some time if it does go bang after that.
    Of course it's very unlikely to meet with a dud round.I just wanna point out this very small disadvantage of Glock.

    We have a saying,the simpler,the better.But yes,I must admitt,the question of 5 parts in the firing pin doesn't mean much.
     
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    Well in this case not not really.
    ^8 I do doubt that this joker is really from China ;z
     
  13. Rusty Phillips

    Rusty Phillips Moderator Millennium Member

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    if you arent in a free country, dont let them catch you doing whatever you like
     
  14. MrMurphy

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    Generally speaking if the round didn't go bang, get rid of it and use a fresh one (Tap Rack Bang drill) so the Glock has no disadvantage there.

    Most semiautomatics that are hammerless designs have no second strike capability, the ones that do, you may be going click-click-click trying to get that one round to fire when the bad guy goes BANG and you are now dead. Get rid of the round, get a fresh one in and keep firing.


    Glocks only have 32 parts total..... the fact five are in the firing pin and spring area don't bother me.

    This question more properly belongs in General Glocking at the top of the list.
     
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    100% good advise.
     
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    There is a small town in east texas called china.........

    ;N
     
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    Texas also has a Paris, a Beverly Hills and a Tokio (that's right with an I)
     
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    You are correct. Texas has all kinds of names for small towns.

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    Yep, you pull the trigger and the gun does not go off, you are shooting a DA, so you pull the trigger again, no bang, guess what, maybe your chamber is empty. So, you still have to tap/rack/bang or asess. Of course, you are either getting shot, stabbed or blugenged to death while you are busy pulling the trigger on a dead round or an empty chamber.

    From what I have seen in the hundreds of thousands of rounds go down range, a second strike on the primer will seldom, if ever, make it go boom if the first one did not.

    In fact, H&K in the MP5 school, teaches every mag change, the action is cycled by hand to ensure there is a round in the chamber, as the MP5 does not have a empty magzine action lock on it.

    And, this is a non-issue with every shoulder-fired combat weapon in the world, M-60, M-16, MP5, H&K G36, FAL, AUG, Rem 870 and on and on. In fact, other than the Mossburg double action shotgun, I can think of none which have a second strike action/trigger system. If this was really any kind of an issue, I think a major world military would have addressed it, but not one has.
     
  20. xm8k36d

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    Glock cannot prevent a out-of-battery strike.This is a SMALL disadvantage.
    Again I wanna say,I respect Glock,and I just wanna have a discussion.