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Discussion in 'The US Air Force Forum' started by Blitzer, Feb 17, 2009.
Deployments Scrubbed from AF Promotions
More bull**** for our troops!
I would like to say it is unbelieveable, however....
As the saying from my former life goes----YGBSM!!!!!
Seems like it was just a little over a year ago that my son-in-law was told that UNLESS he was able to get deployed (he had been volunteering for two years with no luck), he would not get promoted. Well, he did get deployed to iraq and upon return was promoted.
Do we want our AF to return to the days of those with the most Masters Degrees and corrospondence courses got promoted and those with the most flying hours and Arc Light tours got passed over?
I am not sure how many Air Force folks are leading any convoys across hostile terrain........
A lot more than you think. They are (have been for quite some time) utilizing a lot of Air Force troops to drive vehicles in 'hostile" areas on convoys. Two motor pool troops from the unit I just retired were in a pretty sustained firefight. They pulled their vehicle along side one that was disabled from incoming fire putting their vehicle between the incoming and the disabled vehicle. While one evacuatted the disabled vehicle the other only fired about 1,000 rounds out of a M249SAW.
And yes they got everyone out and back to base and yes the incoming fire quit.
Are there a lot of cake jobs in the AF. sure more than there should be however, not evreyone in the AF is a computer programmer either.
I was riding convoy with the Seabees back in 2004...sittin right up there manning the M2....
Well, most of the vehicle maintenance guys from my base for starters.
There are lots of them...Know any Combat Controllers? PJs? Security Forces?
I knew a SSgt from Transportation that had as many rounds downrange as many infantrymen. Two six month deployments running convoys, he had a lot of rounds through a M4, M249 and M240 against the bad guys.
At first, I thought this was unfair to those being deployed, but after reading the article, I can see the other side's argument, too. The Air Force does indeed have a substantial amount of people who are fighting "combat" from a distance, maybe not necessarily deployed to the front lines as we traditionally understand the front lines to mean with the Army, Marines, and even Navy.
Now, I understand the injustice to the guys who spend 12-18 months out there without seeing their families while the missile man on high alert back home does get to see his family, and how this affects what people will have to do for promotions, but there's no easy answer on this one.
This article is referring to people trying to achieve the rank of SMSgt (E-8) or CMSgt (E-9). With lower ranks the ONLY things that affect promotion are time in, performance reports, test scores, and awards. If you deploy and get a medal it's only a couple of points anyway, unless you get the CMoH which is around 15 points.
Seniors and Chiefs have to go before a board for promotion, which is where deploying helps them. Or did I guess. In some career fields, senior enlisted cannot deploy, so I see where it is a concern.
The longest AF deployment I've heard of 1st or 2nd hand is 9 months, with the majority being 6 months.
Okay, I picked some numbers to make the point.
When I was deployed I encountered some folks who were scheduled for one year. They were the minority, though.
There's a lot of cops doing a 365 (1 yr). Friend of mine's rolling around Baghdad with the INP, doing mounted and dismounted patrols.
Granted, he's Security Forces, it is more or less part of the job, but most people don't know AF guys do ground combat.
True. Lots of SF and others doing ground combat, and ILO taskings as well. Since I didn't interact much with SF, except going from one zone to another, my experience was with other LRS people who had worked with the Army.
There are desk jockeys in the AF, but that's not all the AF is.
BTW, they are unmasking education records. It's the Kinder, Gentler AF. Didn't you get the memo?
I'm an E8 and my last deployment was in 2005 (6 months). I have volunteered several times since then but there just are not that many E8 positions in my career field over there so I have not been back since then. I have completed a couple short missions (less then 45 days each) so they are not reflected on my SNCO surf (which I felt was wrong). I am OK with the new change as I feel it is the most just for all (as long as deployments are covered in EPR's or Decs).
I was a convoy commander. I convoyed over 9,000 miles of Iraq during OIF 5-6. Almost every one of my convoys had enemy contact in the form of IED's and small arms fire. We lost two of my friends to an IED (also AF SF). So I think I, an Air Force NCO, have led convoys across hostile terrain.