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Death of the LP

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by G-19, Jun 18, 2012.

  1. G-19

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  2. JBnTX

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    Was it ever alive?

    It all sounds good on paper, but libertarian principles are a disaster in real life.

    If Ron Paul would have been elected president, he would have been impeached or would have done serious long term damage to this country in his first two years.

    The libertarian party supporters are their own worst enemy. They've done
    more to kill their party than anyone or anything else.

    Hopefully with Ron Paul's latest defeat, the libertarian party will now go the way of the dodo bird and the prairie chicken.

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  4. G-19

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    This article also points out how they are their own worst enemy. I have never seen a group so set on self destruction.
     
  5. GAFinch

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    Saw Gary Johnson on Fox last week saying that he doesn't support decriminalizing drug possession because it frees up police to go after drug dealers more.

    For 90% of Libertarians, the Liberty movement = Liberty To Get High movement.
     
  6. G-19

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    Gary who?
     
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  7. Gundude

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    Seems that they did OK in turning a fledgeling, underdog group of colonies into the most powerful nation on Earth.

    No argument there. When one doesn't appreciate the difference between libertarianism and anarchy, one certainly isn't helping the libertarian cause.
     
  8. Cavalry Doc

    Cavalry Doc MAJ (USA Ret.)

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    OK, for a while I thought this was posted in the wrong forum.


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  9. GAFinch

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    That's the problem...every Libertarian/Paulite thinks that they're emulating the American Revolution, but many of them don't realize that they're actually closer in ideology to the morally depraved anarchist mobs of the French Revolution. The LP has always had its fair share of crazies, but the Ron Paul faction's attraction of hard left liberals has certainly dumbed down whatever intellectualism that did exist in the party.
     
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    The self-styled Party of Principle has a history of abandoning it's lofty principles for political expediency, then they call everyone else hypocrites.:rofl:

    http://www.dehnbase.org/lpus/library/platform/itafi.html

    http://www.dehnbase.org/lpus/library/platform/imm.html
     
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    The libertarian party had absolutely nothing to do with the founding of this country.

    If they had, this country would never become the country that it is today. It would have descended into anarchy and chaos, and disappeared long ago.
     
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    The guy looks pretty good for 270.

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    And yet, the Republicans can't win an election without them!
     
  14. Gundude

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    I know. The post in question was referring to "libertarian principles".
     
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    Well yeah, you make a pretty strong case there, JBnTX. Which part do you think would have been the cause?

    The libertarian "zero income tax" policy?

    Maybe the crazy libertarian notion of free travel without passports?

    Maybe a "libertarian" immigration policy?

    Perhaps a "libertarian" set of federal drug laws would have brought them down, right?

    Maybe military spending as a fraction of GDP that looked something like this?

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    Which principles do you think would have caused this ultimate libertarian disaster you have in mind?
     
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    Prove It!.... :poke:
     
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    Chart of the Week: Cutting All Defense Spending Would Not Solve Debt Crisis



    Which is why some of us fiscal conservatives didn't buy into Ron's plan to cut defense now, and to gradually cut social programs over many years, more than his term......


    Oh well, cut it all, but cut it all together, cap spending to 80% of revenue until the debt is paid off, then cap it at 95% of revenue.

    We can only afford what we can afford. We cannot afford to let poor people live beyond their means.
     
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    Notice how the spikes in spending were preceded by decades of very low spending? By the time you pay back the spikes, you average out higher anyway. It's expensive to play catch-up and is much harder nowadays due to highly technical ships/planes/vehicles that require specialized factories with specialized workers.
     
  19. ChuteTheMall

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    Thankfully, libertarians have proven over and over again that they are incapable of winning elections, so we don't need to see the very obvious fact that they are also totally incapable of governing. No power to them.

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  20. Sam Spade

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    Nope, not them either.

    The LP wants open borders and no barriers to free trade. The first Congress established a Customs service and shut down those who would evade duties. The LP views a military draft as slavery. All colonies and the new republic had mandated militia and civic service. Libs hold private property sacrosanct. The Constitution specifically allows it to be taken for public use. I daresay that holding another human in slavery is a serious violation of libertarian principles; of course, the Constitution was written to protect slave owners. And finally, the disproportionate representation of little state in the US senate and electoral college is hardly libertarian.

    There's more, but that'll do for now. The Founders weren't libertarian. Those that claim so have to cherry pick to make the case; it's not a case that holds water when you look at what was actually enacted.