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Dealer Accidentally Remote Starts Customer's Mustang Into a Pond...

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  1. zackwatt

    zackwatt That's a Bingo! Lifetime Member

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    WOW! :wow:

     
  2. hamster

    hamster NRA Life Member

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    The clutch must be worn if he can start it while in gear and not have it stall. Doesn't make sense somehow.

    I can't imagine how this would work, starting a car that is in gear without depressing the clutch should stall it.
     
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  3. zackwatt

    zackwatt That's a Bingo! Lifetime Member

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    Try reading the entire article...
     
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    Tough call. I can see both points of view.
     
  5. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    The owner's bypass of the clutch cutoff doesn't obviate the fact that the dealer's representative did not go through the proper vehicle startup procedure.
     
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    Nope, many places that install remote start systems refuse to do so on any manual transmission vehicle to avoid this type of problem. That was the case at the car audio installation store I used to work at. My manager there installed one on his SRT-4(5-speed.) It definitely works, but there are some serious liability issues that come along with it.
     
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    Yeah I am leaning towards "the dealer shouldn't have used it" point of view. He had no reason to use remote start.
     
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    That dealer is a VERY good one. I bought my '03 GT there & my '05 F150.
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out. I'd say the Mustang's owner is at fault.
    He should have disabled or kept the remote start fob, since it was bypassed.
     
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    There is enough blame to go around on this one. The dealership left the car in gear without the P Brake on. The owner of the car intentionally took a safety device away from the remote start system that would have prevented exactly what happened. The dealership dude went to use a feature on the car not knowing the bonehead owner had removed an important safety measure and it led to a Scuba diving car. Had it injured someone the car owner would bare some liablity here.
     
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    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Just because it's there, it doesn't mean that the dealership had to use it to start the vehicle. I'll bet that if you were to break out the owner's manual for the Mustang, it'd have a different startup procedure than just hitting the button.
     
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    I had one installed on my 97 S10. I would always put it in N but sometimes would forget and leave it in gear. Had it run the outside airconditioner of the concrete slap and wedge it next to my parents house....ended that mod real quick.
     
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    Try reading the reply where I said "I can't imagine how this would work."

    I'm no car expert so I was asking how this is possible.

    Most Manual cars won't allow the car to be started unless the clutch is pressed in, but this is due to an easily defeated "switch" that the owner in question clearly disabled.

    Even with that safety feature disabled, could a car be Started in first gear without stalling out the engine? If you drop the clutch in first gear, most cars will stall... unless they have lots of power.

    That is where I am confused. I'm no mechanic, just a lowly computer guy. I'm just trying to understand how this is possible.
     
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    :rofl: That place sucks! Worst dealership I've encountered.
     
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    Bypassing the clutch was not the bad idea (saves wear and tear starting up in neutral) but combining that with a remote start without a working neutral safety switch... bad idea..



    Today's lesson: Don't talk to the police and don't let the dealership work on your car.
     
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    "Who's the U-Boat Commander?" :rofl:
     
  17. XsuckafreeX

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    I run a shop.

    there are special remote starts that force you to go through a shutdown routine for manual transmission vehicles.

    100% of the blame goes to the shop that installed the remote start.

    it was improperly installed, the clutch was incorrectly bypassed, and the customer knew better.

    end of story.
     
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    XsuckafreeX car geek

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    WTH do you need a remote start in Florida anyway?
     
  19. Sam Spade

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    This is in a couple of posts.

    Why *shouldn't* the dealer use the device given to him to start the car? Would a reasonable person think, "hmmm....better not push "start", it might be a hazard"?
     
  20. zackwatt

    zackwatt That's a Bingo! Lifetime Member

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    Well, it obviously did work in this case...

    But, to certify:

    A starter turns over the engine, when in gear and with no parking brake engaged, that could be enough to get the car rolling.

    When rolling, that in itself, could be enough to start the engine since the ignition it on.

    Or, (how it probably happened), the starter got the car rolling, and then continued to be engaged until it started the engine.

    The rest is history...




    This is obviously extremely hard/damaging on the starter, but I think that is the least of the problems in this case.