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Dan Wesson discontinuing quite a few models in 2010

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by glock2740, Jan 3, 2010.

  1. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    Was looking at their website and noticed they are discontinuing quite a few models in 2010. I thought the Pointman and the CBOB were good sellers. Looks the VBOB will be the new bobtailed 4.25". It also looks like it will be about twice the price as the CBOB too. I've always liked the CBOB in 10mm. Sad to see it go.
     
  2. willis68

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    They were a bargain, not anymore you can buy a Les Baer for what some of their 2010 models cost :shocked:
     

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    Hopefully, they aren't overpricing themselves.

    Apparently, they're trying to move their whole image and product line up market.
     
  4. glock2740

    glock2740 Gun lover.

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    That's OK to try to compete in the higher end market with their Valor line, but they are going to lose alot of sales by dropping those other models. The CBOB is a pretty popular gun, as well as several of their other models. It's just kind of dissapointing to see a move like that, especially in this economy.
     
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    Like everyone else thay are looking to get a premium price for their product.
    If they are not careful they'll price themselves out of the market all together.

    I hope they survive, but with the cost of everything going up and unemployment going up higher at a faster rate, I'm a bit nervous for North American companies.
     
  6. mikegun

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    in my opinion they just did,,
     
  7. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    They may be with the parts upgrades.

    On the other hand, if production capacity is inelestic, then it's a smart business move to price the product to equalize demand to production capacity. Profits go up with the same amount of overhead.


    Valor example:

    1) Little is being changed
    2) Demand exceeded supply enormously in the past
    3) Valor price increase will reduce demand to production capacity equlibrium
    4) Margins increase


    If my observations are accurate and assumptions valid; it's smart business.

    As for the "California only" offerings, Sig has been producing P226STs for the California market for years and not listed them in their catalog, nor on their web site. But dealers can get them and ship to anywhere in the US (except maybe Mass or NY).
     
  8. GVFlyer

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    Nice example of a business model, but with their new upstream pricing CZ has moved Dan Wesson completely off my radar - it has become a cost for value received issue.

    At the new Dan Wesson pricing I would be better served to acquire another Les Baer.
     
  9. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    Probably a wise move for you. ;)
     
  10. Whiskey Six

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    Will the Dan Wesson name one day be synonymous with Baer, Wilson and Brown? Will paying $1800 for a DW be normal and unquestioned? I guess time will tell...
     
  11. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    I think you're right. Market forces will ultimately decide DW's future.
     
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    Supply-v-Demand.'08.
     
  13. Cobra64

    Cobra64 Deals in Facts

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    '08? That's more than a year ago. We're in 2010 now. You need a more current calndar. :)
     
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    Ya,I know Cobra.It's still true though.'08.
     
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    With the economy in the tank I think it is a bad move. Then again I am not a CFO for a gun company. It takes a lot of work and money to transform a Chevy image into a Ferrari. :whistling:
     
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    despite the fact that internet commandos believe the DW's are the greatest thing since sliced bread, i've not been impressed with the fit or machining quality of any DW's i've looked at in local guns shops. don't think they are worth what they cost now, certainly wouldn't pay even more for one.
     
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    I agree 100%, I will stick with Les Baer, Ed Brown
     
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    If you are a premium branded product or company, like for instance Gulfstream jets, you can get away with uptown pricing. Dan Wesson, on the other hand, is known for revolvers with changeable barrels, sometimes spotty quality, financial difficulties and multiple ownership. Market demand was created in the short term by a perception that the pistol was available at a discount to (quality) content. With their new pricing this is no longer the case.

    Their reduction in the current catalog also reminds me that CZ could drop the line entirely if it becomes unprofitable or inconvenient to produce without adversely affecting their core business.
     
  19. Cobra64

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    I see two things areas causing DW to raise their prices.

    1) New business model increasing efficiencies and profitability, as I explained above
    2) Upgrading parts quality

    Free market forces will determine whether they've made the right moves.
     
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    Excellent point, but I think CZ wants to be part of the 1911 market.