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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by quantico, Sep 27, 2020.
That's a glorified BMW, no less.
It is a shame that there does not seem to be any basic cars or trucks out there that are affordable. It would be nice to be able to get a plain 'ol p/u truck with manual windows and locks, plain wheels, and maybe a/c for a reasonable price.
I remember getting my Mazda p/u in 1990 for $8,000, brand new. It had a/c and a tape deck and I thought it was great. I wish they still made something like that.
If they (the car makers) can ever get at least 250 miles on a charge with a 15 minute full re-charge I would be interested. I know that will happen, just don't know when.
Checking them out, it's pickups that have really gone nuts with their pricing. Some passenger cars haven't even kept up with inflation in their pricing. But trucks have gotten stupid expensive.
$8,000 in 2020 is $15,909.29. There's no trucks even close to that price. The cheapest small pickup I could find is the Nissan Frontier, that starts at $26,790.00
On the other hand, a Honda Accord EX 4dr was $17,345.00 in 1990. In 2020 that would be $34,493.33 with inflation. A 2020 EX 4dr Accord is $29,670.00.
Since I'm a Mustang guy; a 1990 Mustang GT was around $13,986.00, which would be $27,813.41 in today's money. A 2020 Mustang GT starts at $35,880.00, but you can get one for very close to $32,000.00, so not too far away from where it should be with inflation.
So, it just depends on what you're looking to buy.
I love old cars. My dad has a '63 Nova SS that we cruise around in.
It's hell for simple to work on.
Some new tech I do not like at all. That stupid auto-shut off for one. And that electric boost crap that they add to the engine. Either make it electric or make if fuel burning.
But it's hard to argue with a 2.3 liter 4 cylinder that makes 300hp/350lb/ft and gets 30mpg and only 4 spark plugs/coil packs/fuel injectors.
You're right. I should have specified trucks.
There are some cars still available for reasonable prices. I think the Mustang is a really good deal (I've had two over the years).
I was just showing different types of vehicles have taken different pricing paths over the last 30 years. Trucks, for whatever reason, have gone full retard.
The Mustang is o.k. If you figure that the EBs are faster than the 1990 GTs, then it's a very reasonable car today. And you can get one that's really basic too.
Many trucks (and heavy SUVs) are purchased by corporations. They get nice 179 writes offs.
Cars dont have the same write offs as trucks / heavy SUVs.
For SUVs the break is at GVWR 6000lbs. Go look at GVWR of say a BMW X5.
The link shows how to buy a $60K X5 and take a $46K tax deduction.
Tax breaks affect value.
Depends on the car maker. Bmw seems to have vanos problems and cooling system problems with plastic parts . Sub frames crack bmw v8's have bearing failures... porsche has ims issues and bore scoring , cylinder bore breaks pieces apart at times. Cant keep water pumps long.. and oil /air seperators fail. So quite a few failed engines and class action law suits and engines replaced due to engine walls being porus.
Honda has had lots of oil consumption issues on cars in the 2000's. So cars 15 to 20 years old.
My lowly 2001 ford truck just works. My 2002 mercury 4.6 v8 seems to have the ability to run several hundred thousand miles.
A 2000 to 2005 subaru has head gasket failures common.. range rovers from those same years keep losing head gaskets.
So these modern engines seem poorly made with massive cost potential.
You are quoting relatively small problems compared to the outright number of vehicles in various models sold. According to the DOT, the average age of vehicles on the road in 2018 was more than 11 years. On the other hand, the average age of vehicles on the road in 1995 was 8.4 years. Driving distances have increased, meaning that the mileage increase will be even higher than the age discrepancy shows.
Make of this what you wish.