Crossing guard relieved of duty, guns seized (red flag seizure)

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  1. ronduke

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    That's ridiculous. I get the idea behind red flag laws and could be persuaded to support them so long as the categories of people who could make the referral and probable cause was a requirement.

    "Waitress overhearing parts of a conversation that she's not a party to," shouldn't meet the standard. Part of me says that's what you get for living in Massachusetts, though.
     

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    Yes. You have a point there with anti gun Peoplez Democratic Sozilizt Republisks.

    Long ago many states in the North East became enamored with socialism during the influx of failed European socialists during the mid 19th century, and the rot has only deepened considerably in the decades following.

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    Sad, the job means more to the gent than anything, and the PD has the most discretion on that than his property or firearms rights. I presume a part time crossing guard can be let go without cause in this state...


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    Wait. Say it isn’t so. Some feel good legislation being used not in the manner the doo gooder intended. I’m shocked I say!!!

    Red flag laws are ripe for abuse, which is why they have zero place this nation. Venezuela, sure perfect place. The Tx. church shooter was a wife beater. Parkland retard had multiple complaints against him. Try enforcing existing laws for 12 months without plea bargains or other BS programs. Then let’s talk about what needs to change.

    Here say has no place in criminal matters for very good reason. I’ll wager this is why no charges were filed and this becomes another civil case. Just like civil asset forfeiture cases where tourists got robbed of their cash.
     
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    I'm wondering if there isn't something more behind this...

    From the article:

    "Nichols said he was unimpressed with the Tisbury School resource officer’s alleged trips to Xtra Mart to get coffee when children came to school in the morning. While dining at Linda Jean’s a couple of weeks ago, Nichols said he told a friend about this and suggested somebody could “shoot up the school” in that officer’s absence, which he described as “leaving his post.” "

    Sure, the waitress said something, but then I'm wondering if someone got pissed off at his comment about the "school resource officer" - which in my town is an armed police officer.

    Also, the guy "was with" the Tisbury Police Dept for 6 decades. Don't know if he was a police officer (article probably would have said that, maybe he was administrative?), but I wonder if that also has something to do with the reaction - maybe he pissed off someone years ago in the PD?
     
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    Preach it Brother Taz, preach it!! I've been dealing with orders of protection and stalking/no-contact orders for over 20 years and conservatively, 5-10% or them are legit and necessary. I've seen them used to evict people, to repossess vehicles, and to force some poor slob that went on two dates with a gal to pay her bills for six months. And those had to have an affidavit & petition filed to support the order in the first place.
     
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    The red flag law (and it's equally evil twin, universal background checks) are a ploy by the globalists and cultural Marxists to make an "end run" around 2A.


    The entire purpose of the red flag law is to give the politicians the power to decide who they want to own guns.

    If the Liberal Thought Police don't like you for whatever reason, you will be branded as a "racist neo Nazi white nationalist homophobic Trump supporter" and banned from owning guns.


    If passed, the red flag law and UBCs will give the government veto power over who can own a gun.

    The red flag law and UBCs are the most dangerous threat to 2A rights and gun ownership in the entire history of this country, because they give the government the power to pick and choose who they want to own guns.

    For this reason, the red flag law and UBCs are even more dangerous to gun rights than an AWB, high cap mag ban, or handgun ban.


    That's because it won't matter if ARs, handguns, and 30 round mags are technically still legal, if only leftists are allowed to own them, since all the conservative patriots have been red flagged and disarmed.

    If the red flag law and/or UBCs becomes the law of the land, 2A will be effectively dead, since gun ownership will have turned from an inalienable right into a privilege the the government can revoke at any time.
     
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    Fire him from being a crossing guard maybe, the rest is Bull Butter
     
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    Temporarily suspend him, maybe. At the most.

    Or, just walk up to him, man to man, and ask, “Hey, what’s got you in a tizzy? Someone heard you talking about a school shooting?” I bet he would give you an earful about duty, not quitting your post without being properly relieved, etc.

    But no, let’s kneejerk react and disrespect a guy that was a cop IN THE SAME TOWN for 50 freaking YEARS.

    How about we don’t let diner waitresses who heard a snippet of conversation dictate police policy?

    How about we adhere to even a small modicum of due process?

    What does it say about a place that a guy can serve for over half a century, yet gets ZERO benefit of the doubt?

    Not a place I’d want to live.

    Oh, and to hell with any red flag ANYTHING without a hearing, held by a judge, where a person can both hear and rebut claims made against them.

    If it’s important enough for a judge to issue a confiscation order, it’s important enough to wait for me to show up and have my say.
     
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    Fire him for what exactly? Unless I missed it somewhere he made no threats. Which is why there are no charges. You can’t fire someone for expressing an opinion to his lunch mate.

    I’ll wager the convo went like: “ man, that fat slob sure does take a lot of breaks. Bob, what would have happened to us if we walked off guard duty to grab a coffee? Damn right, we would have been burning poop for a month, assuming the Sgt was in a good mood. We could walk right in and do some serious damage while that retard is playing grab ass in the coffee mart...”

    Some busybody over hears the last sentence and wets her panties. The cop is pissed cause he is pointing out how retarded their officers and protective details really are. Viola... perfect storm of butthurt stupidly strikes and someone’s civil rights are violated. Awesome laws they have there.
     
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    Best I can gather is that he was not a police officer, but a longtime crossing guard. The chief sounds like a Barney Fife.

    And if the crossing guard felt that the officer was “abandoning his post” (hint - if they gave him a patrol car, that means they expect him to drive off campus), he should have gone to his supervisor and let it go up the chain.
     
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    And that’s exactly what did happen, according to the news article. A waitress heard a few seconds of conversation, took it completely out of context, and started a **** storm.
     
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    It scares me when they will not release a report in this matter. Makes you wonder a little bit. I do not like the red flag laws very well. Its coming the point you can't have a conversation about a gun without fear of this happening. No due process of law in my opinion.

    Corey
     
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    I don't like Red Flag laws and their potential abuse however in today's society the reality we have is that certain things should not be said in public in order to avoid issues. This is no different than joking about guns, bombs or hijacking at the airport. Its clear he's a solid citizen devoted to his job but those words together IN A PUBLIC SETTING can only cause trouble

    " Nichols said he told a friend about this and suggested somebody could “shoot up the school” in that officer’s absence, which he described as “leaving his post.”

    Be the Grey Man in public, say what you want the way you want in private. I feel bad for the guy and hope someone gets his guns back for him but also hope he's learned that we're in a Big Brother era. And let's stop rehashing the obvious. Of course there's no due process, that's how the Red Flag laws are designed! No Due Process, potential for abuse, little recourse, all the worst if any laws
     
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    As I have said in other posts if our argument is there is no due process with red flag laws we risk being ignored by the people who write and litigate them.
     
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    I underlined the important part you left out. It’s BS and everyone involved should be held accountable.
     
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    This will become the norm. Anyone will be able to red flag you for anything they "think" you said (or say you think, for that matter.)
     
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    Red Flag Laws do exactly what they are intended for, S l o w l y taking your guns. Allowing Government to decide who has the right to own guns. By the time people become aware of what's happened it's going to be to late.
    Like the frog dropped into a hot pan of water, it'll jump out. Slowly heat the water and it will be to late to jump out by the time it realizes what's happening.
    The pan is slowly heating...

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