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Creepy; drive by the site of a Japanese internment camp every day.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by vart, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. MAC702

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    Nor do I. You do not need to feel personally guilty to recognize that someone has been severely wronged.
     
  2. devildog2067

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    Good for you.

    As long as you don't plan to do any of those things yourself, there's absolutely no reason for you to feel guilty.
    Dude, a lot of those people are still ALIVE. It's not that ancient.
     

  3. Hauptmann6

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    We were attacked on september 11th. Should we round up everyone that is of middle eastern descent and keep them caged? How bout during the war of 1812, lock up everyone of British descent?
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    Another 9/11 or worse attack and we might find out.
     
  5. HollowHead

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    Some ignorant dip****s will still torch a few convenience stores and motels, but an (insert bad guy race/ethnicity) round-up is as likely as a national firearms confiscation. HH
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    I hope y'all are 1/2 as upset about what 'we' did to the Native Americans.
     
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    Were they American citizens at the time of their interment? HH
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    No, they were just living here!
     
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    427 is of casino indian and spanish european descent and he's cool with everybody.

    427 objects to what the modern .gov has done, is doing, and will do to American citizens in the name of perceived "security."
     
  10. Detectorist

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    I'm not proud of it. However, we should know better now. That is, except for a few individuals who think prejudice superseds that US Constitution.

    We're supposed to learn from history.
     
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    Yes, but there is just no easy way to describe it then or since.

    America is better when viewed for what we proclaim, not so much what we did, don't you know.
     
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    It was not prejudice, it was National Security. Have you ever thought it might have been beneficial to the war effort and our victory??
     
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    How so? HH
     
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    FLIPPER 348 Bigfoot enthusiast enthusiast

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    I don't know. I'm asking the question.
     
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    This is a statement, not a question. Again, how so? HH
     
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    – The attack on Pearl Harbor severely damaged our Pacific forces and brought America into WW2 – on the side that was currently losing. And this was not like the Gulf War or Vietnam, we could not simply choose to “go home” and end the war. Losing would have likely meant — at some point — marauding Axis armies marching through the countryside raping, murdering, and pillaging everything in their path. The stakes don’t get any higher than they were in a conflict like World War 2.

    – On December 11th of 1941, the freighter SS Lahaina was sunk by a Japanese sub off of Honolulu. Another Japanese sub sank the SS Manini in Hawaiian waters 6 days later. On December 18th, another sub sank the SS Prusa near the “big island”. Several other December attacks occurred within 20 miles of the California and Oregon coastlines. On February 23rd, a Japanese sub shelled the Ellwood oil fields in Goleta, California. At least one “high ranking Japanese military official–Admiral Tamon Yamaguchi…was eager to carry the war to the U.S. mainland”.

    Secretary of War Henry Stimson also wrote this in his diary on February 10, 1942

    “…I think it is quite within the bounds of possibility that if the Japanese should get naval dominance in the Pacific they would try an invasion of this country; and, if they did, we would have a tough job meeting them.”

    In other words, Japanese forces were close and the danger to our homeland was very real.

    – Richard Kotoshirodo, a Japanese American and John Mikami, who was Japanese, gathered extensive amounts of information while they were spying that was very helpful to the Japanese forces that attacked Pearl Harbor. Japanese-Americans (Yoshio and Irene Harada) aided a Japanese pilot who landed at Niihau island, Hawaii after being shot down while attacking Pearl Harbor.

    Cables decoded from the Japanese in May 1941 said in part,

    “We have already established contacts with absolutely reliable Japanese in the San Pedro and San Diego area, who will keep a close watch on all shipments of airplanes and other war materials…”

    That same cable also stated that the Japanese had Japanese-American spies in the Army and that they were watching traffic crossing the American / Mexican border.

    A January 3rd, 1942 army MID memo states, “‘there can be no doubt that’ most of the leaders within the Japanese espionage network of Japanese clubs, business groups, and labor organizations “continue to function as key operatives for the Japanese government along the West Coast”.

    So we knew that the Japanese had a spy network in America before Pearl Harbor and we believed it was still operating after the attacks.

    – While we clearly couldn’t trust citizens of Japan (or other Axis nations) to run around unsupervised while we were in the middle of a fight to the finish with their home-countries (hence the 11,229 Japanese citizens, 10,905 German citizens, 3,728 Italian citizens and a few others who were rounded up and interned), American born citizens were of course a different matter. Certainly, most of them were loyal. Curtis Munson who was been sent to investigate the issue, estimated that 90-98% of Japanese-Americans could be trusted (although he had his doubts about 9000 Kibei — Japanese-Americans schooled in Japan).

    However, Munson also noted that even a very small number of saboteurs could do a cataclysmic damage to the war effort,

    “…The harbor at San Pedro could be razed by fire completely by four men with grenades and a little study in one night. Dams could be blown and half of lower California might actually die of thirst. One railway bridge at the exit from the mountains in some cases could tie up three or four main railroads…”

    Here’s more on the damage that could be caused by saboteurs from Provost Marshal General Allen Gullion,

    “If production for war is seriously delayed by sabotage in the West Coastal states, we very possibly shall lose the war….from reliable reports from military and other sources, the danger of Japanese-inspired espionage is great.”

    – America and other nations traditionally interned “enemy aliens” during wars. For example, in World War 1 more than 6300 “European-born civilians” were interned. Moreover, Mexico and Canada both chose to move ethnic Japanese away from their coasts. Also, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that interning Japanese citizens was constitutional.



    – Last but not least, there were no easy options for dealing with the situation. Mere monitoring of suspect Japanese citizens would have likely be too difficult given the number of people involved, the consequences of failure, and the demands of a world war. Criminal prosecutions of suspected spies would have been nearly impossible because intelligence sources couldn’t be revealed and it would be extraordinarily difficult to prove someone who was say simply watching ship movements (so they could later report them) was committing a crime. Another possibility would have been some sort of “quasi-judicial military tribunal,” but there would have been constitutional questions about that and it couldn’t possibly be as effective as evacuating and/or interning Japanese-Americans along the West Coast.
     
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    The blacks got affirmative action, plus several trillions of dollars of guilt money (none of which they have been able to use to improve their station in life). The japanese got reparations. Indians get special hunting and casino privileges.

    All that with my tax dollars. I've paid enough and could care less.
     
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    The Second Amendment exists to prevent the government from rounding people up and putting them in camps.
     
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    In the name of national security it's cool for the .gov to conduct CBRN experiments on the unsuspecting American public.

    American nuclear guinea pigs : three decades of radiation experiments on U.S. citizens
    http://contentdm.library.unr.edu/cd...conghear&CISOPTR=102&CISOBOX=1&REC=1#metajump

    Atomic Energy Commission's Declassification Review of Reports on Human Experiments and the Public Relations and Legal Liability Consequences
    https://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/meet9/brief9/tab_i/br9i2.txt

    Tuskegee, a Cloud Over Research
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092603126.html

    U.S. apologizes for newly revealed syphilis experiments done in Guatemala
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR2010100104457.html?hpid=topnews



    In the name of national security the ..gov can do anything.
     
  20. Detectorist

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    Most historians and the US Supreme Court disagree with you.

    The Italian shipbuilders on the East coast posed much more of a threat than Japanese Women and Children Nobody put them in interment camps. It was suspected that the Italians were responsible for the many acts of sabotage during WW2.

    It took a government agreement with the Mafia to keep them in line.

    Do you think the government should take our guns during national emergencies?