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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by vart, Oct 11, 2012.
Biden, you posted that your facts support the argument.
Where are your facts?
Before anybody labels me - here's my family heritage.
In the paragraph that starts; "World War II recorded Taos County citizens" ... My two uncles who survived the Death March are listed. Onofre Montoya and Tony Reyna.
I know what the Japanese did.
on a floppy disk in my files
.....and I have not had a computer with a floppy drive since 98!
Dude, do your own research. It sounds like it will do you some good.
my facts are in this handy book
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I know its hard for you to read but try to educate yourself on the subject at hand and one day you can talk to the grown-up
I did a while ago, thanks.
I wore the uniform of our great nation. I was born there. I plan to die there (I'm in Ireland today, is why I write "there" rather than "here").
If the government came to lock me and my family up and confiscated our property because I have yellow skin and slanty eyes, I would shoot whoever came for me. I'd like to think I'd do the same if they came for black people or brown people or white people or anyone else.
If I were still in uniform I'd refuse to carry out the order.
There are things that make America great, and "innocent until proven guilty" is one of the most important. Locking up American citizens because you think they *might* commit a crime is pretty much the most evil thing we have done in the last hundred years or so.
The fact that thousands of those citizens volunteered to serve in the Army out of those camps, knowing that their families were still locked up back home, and the fact that the 442 RCT was so highly decorated tells me that those men were better men than I and better Americans than you.
Some morals are not situational. Depriving an American citizen, someone who was born here just like you, of their freedom "just in case" due to the color of their skin is plain wrong. The situation does not matter.
Yes it does. It's easy to judge today.
I bet the Japanese-descended natural born citizens of this country thought that they were part of the "we" but I guess they learned better, eh?
there was no *might*, it was happening
the hypocrisy of this forum runs deep.
It's ok to violate the rights of people as long as it doesn't happen to you. Got it.
Lots of things do depend on the situation. Not this one. Imprisoning someone because of where their parents were born is and always will be wrong.
Papago park/Phoenix zoo land was a POW camp during WWII.
My grandfather fought his way from the Normandy beaches to Carentan before getting his ticket home to his wife stamped by a German tank's main gun. I don't feel guilty. I feel proud of him, and proud of our country for being exactly what the world needed at that time. No one and no country is ever perfect, but when the world was going to hell, the US was just good enough to bring it back.
That is unfortunate for the Japanese Americans who were imprisoned, but at the time, it was believed to be necessary enough to go through the trouble. At least they didn't have to fight their way to Berlin.
Ah, so it's ok then. They were all criminals. That's what you mean, right? Every single person, man woman and child, who got locked up was conspiring against the United States?
Believed by who?
They were CITIZENS. They get to vote. They were people, just like you, whose ancestors came to this great nation, just like yours, in search of a better life. What makes you more of an American than "them"?
You would not have said that in 1942. Do a little research and your knee-jerk reaction might change a bit.
Do you think with a two front war going on & while we were losing one quite badly we would take the time and military resources to move & secure several 1000 people for no reason??
No, some of them were. How would you have handled the situation??
And this is exactly what gets me about the, "...they interred German-Americans and Italian-Americans, too." argument. The G-A and I-A combined numbers were somewhere in the 4% area (5K) and most of those were naturalized / resident aliens. Over 111K American citizens of Japanese ancestry were locked up and properties taken simply because they didn't look like Germans or Italians. HH