Cowboy pistol question

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  1. BigBluefish

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    I have a Taylor's Smoke Wagon .357. Just take it to the range occasionally. It's an Uberti and has been enjoyable. My.dad has had a couple of Cimarrons and the fit & finish are comparable. If you just want one to play with, I think a Taylor's would suit you.
     
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  2. Bluescot

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    My OLD Vaquero is a 5.5" barrel stainless with the Bisley grip and when I stuff it full of 300g hotter loads, the fun disappears after about 6 rounds. It is comforting to have that performance when needed and while I am not recoil shy I think I have reached my max level.

    I have a 300g bullet moving out at 1,377fps. I think I could shoot a buffalo with that load.

    Have you loaded, maybe foolishly like me, some rounds that hot and shot them out of your Birdhead???
     

  3. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    Yes, I have shot both of them with full-power factory ammo. I think some PMC. The only thing I found painful was the trigger guard hitting the top of my middle finger with most shots.
     
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  4. DocCasualty

    DocCasualty Wolverine

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    When I first got into CAS I got an Old Vaquero in .44 Mag with a 5 1/2” barrel, subsequently adding one of the Cimarron Thunderers in .44 Spl with a 4 3/4” barrel I posted. For the longest time I was planning on adding a second Old Vaquero to have a “balanced” pair but after I was honest with myself I realized I shot the Thunderer faster and more accurately. I’m keeping the Vaquero to have a 44. Mag in the stable. It’s one solid horse of a pistol.

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  5. OUSooner

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    I have a old vaquero in 44 magnum and new model Blackhawk convertible in 45acp/45colt. And of course a wrangler. 20200401_154454.jpg
     
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  6. rds95991

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    I have Vaqueros in 44 mag (3) and 45 Colt/45 ACP (1).

    This is a two part question. Part one: Which feels best in your hand. I bought two 44's with 5 1/2" barrels and found they are too muzzle heavy so I finally found a deal on a 44 with a 4 5/8" barrel and found it balances and points much better for me. I then purchased the 45 Colt/ACP with a 4 5/8" barrel because of the second part. Note: The New Vaquero 45 Colt cannot take the hot Ruger loads in many reloading publications.

    Part two: Caliber. 44 mag/44 special is expensive as is 45 Colt. 45 ACP is half the price so it was a no brainer to get the conversion.

    38/357 is expensive compared to what it used to be. 38 Special used to be cheaper than 9mm way back when but now it is almost as if not more expensive than 45ACP. A lot of SASS shooters use 38/357 for two reasons: 1. Lack of recoil makes for faster times. The mouse fart loads most use make for very fast follow up shots. 2. Cost of reloading 38/357 is less as 38 components are cheaper and the amount of powder per cartridge needed is less than any of the other calibers.

    If you want to go Blackhawk, you can get a 357/9mm convertible. If you want to go Super BH, you can get a 44 magnum. The only real difference is the adjustable sights.

    If you go New Vaquero your options are 357, 45 Colt, and 45 Colt/ACP.
     
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  7. sas-G19

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    I also have shot several boxes of full-house 44 Magnums out of my SS Birdshead.
    And have loaded and shot several cylinders full of Hornady 300gr XTP's with 17gr. of #9powder that books 1150fps. The hot 300 grainers are not something that I would want to shoot too often, but nice to know that I can. The Birdshead grip lets it rotate upwards to mitigate some of the felt recoil. Mostly I shoot 240gr powdercoated lead loads at around 1000fps and they are quite pleasant.
    -steve
     
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  8. 'Ol Grandad

    'Ol Grandad Director of civil unrest

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    Well, since it's turned in to show-n-tell, here's mine. Yes, 4 5/8" is the best for fast shooting. These are my Cattlemen and the next photo is them in my CAS gear.
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  9. dbuck47

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    I have always found the 7.5 Rugers to be a bit ungainly, especially for the use you describe. They are great shooters, but not natural handlers. The 7.5 Colt/clone on the other hand, is a better handler than the Ruger. Either though are a little awkward from a strongside draw; I like a cross draw for the 7.5 barrel.

    I just scanned Rugers website, and if you are interested in a convertible, 5.5 looks like the longest available.

    I prefer the 4 5/8 or 4 3/4 barrel for this type of gun, but the 5.5 is a good compromise and some like it best.

    The Blackhawk has the adjustable sights which enables one to dial in the POA/POI desired. It is also a bulkier gun than the Vaquero in girth.

    Based on the use you described, I would suggest a 4 5/8 or 5.5 Blackhawk or Vaquero in . 45 Colt, preferably with an extra .45 ACP cylinder.

    For the record, I have owned a 4 5/8 Blackhawk in .45 Colt, a 5.5 “ Colt Cowboy in .45 Colt, and a 7.5 Super Blackhawk in .44 magnum. The.45 Blackhawk was a sweet shooter.
     
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  11. rds95991

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    Another advantage for 38/357 magnum if you are shooting SASS is the fastest cycling lever action is a tricked out short stroked 1873 which is only offered in 38/357 magnum due to it's weaker toggle action vs the 1892.
     
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    Forgetting the Marlin Model 94?
     
  13. Caver 60

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    I've only waded through the first page and I'm not a cowboy shooter. I've never shot a Bisley.

    But I love the way my old model 'Plow Handle' Ruger Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk handle recoil. I just let them rare up and then catch the hammer on the way down to cock for the next shot.

    I have a Smith mod 29 and I could never stand to shoot more than two or three cylinders full of full house ammo, without starting to flinch.

    With the Super Blackhawk I could usually go a full 50 round box of my stout reloads without flinching.

    Course I didn't load mine like a guy I saw at the uncontrolled range I belonged to in California. one time. I arrived to shoot and he was already there. He was a regular and I sort of knew him.

    I said hi, and he said he wanted to fire one more cylinder full out of his Smith 29 and then we could go check targets and I could set up new targets. He fired them and opened the cylinder on his Smith.

    He then proceeded to to beat the ejector rod on the wooden bench to knock the empties out. I commented that those look like they're pretty hot. He said yeah, they're a little to hot. I loaded them last night and I'm just shooting them up.

    I moved to the other end of the range. A few weeks later he was there again and shooting his Smith. This time the empties were ejecting normally.

    So even though the Smiths cylinder looks thin compared to the Ruger, it was strong enough to handle his HOT hand loads without apparent damage. I wouldn't recommend it though.
     
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    Have you actually compared a 44 magnum Blackhawk with the Bisley grip to one with a plowhandle grip? Not the Super Blackhawk grip, but the standard grip.

    In my experience the Super Blackhawk grip and the Bisley grip both handle recoil better than the standard plowhandle grip. I have a 41 magnum and recoil is worse with that with full power loads than any 44 mag with the super Blackhawk grip. And I've shot a 41 mag bisley and it handled the HSM "Bear" loads much better than my 41 Blackhawk, but it had an inch longer barrel as well.

    The easiest recoiling SA in 44 magnum I've ever shot was a 10 1/2 inch Super Blackhawk. The extra barrel weight tames both muzzle flip and recoil by a significant amount.
     
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  15. Walter Bishop

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    Uberti still makes the Cattleman with the traditional design. The Cattleman II has the retractable firing pin. But they only make the least expensive, blued version in Cattleman II form. The nonsafety Cattleman models they still make are the more expensive models.
     
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    For a real hog's-leg, get a Herter's .401 Powermag.

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  17. Three-Five-Seven

    Three-Five-Seven Señor Mombo Millennium Member

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    A pair of Special Edition Super Blackhawks done up by Classic Single Actions -- action work and curly koa grips. Gunfighter bear guns, if you will.
     
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    FullClip Native Mainiac CLM

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    Man....nice looking units even though they forgot to finish the cylinders.

    I got to find another 4 5/8" old model in .41 mag to make a "set".....and then get some gray carpet.
     
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    rock_castle All Lives Matter

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    Man, these are beautiful guns.
     
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    Much appreciated

    Yeah they did great work.