Couple is an example of why 2a has already failed.

Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by Rick James45, Jul 11, 2020.

  1. HalfHazzard

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    I mean, we got like photographic evidence of him + gun + him in public... right? Like what if it was in the river the whole case would be in doubt?
     
  2. tacit mesa

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    It's called the Best Evidence Doctrine or rule. The whole case is in less doubt if the actual gun can be introduced into evidence than just a photo or video.

    What's your point?
     

  3. Mayhem like Me

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    Again, you make my point it's not in the river they have it, most likely with his prints attached , hard for the defense to make the jury believe that's not the gun.
    Maybe you should try staying at a holiday inn express tonight and attack this "stumper"in the morning.
     
  4. nrajeff

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    Good point. If this couple were a satan-worshiping lesbian couple, the ACLU would spare no expense defending them.
     
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    Suppose instead of a civilian husband and wife, it was 2 cops, partners, and the house was empty, and the cops were dispatched there to check out reported B&E or trespassers on the premises. Then this same crowd of angry, armed thugs breaks through the gate, swiftly swarms the front yard, and makes those same threats--"You're dead, we're gonna kill you and live in this house!"

    2 cops, alone, facing a mob of 50 or so criminals (they weren't there lawfully), some of them openly displaying firearms.

    How many cops in that situation wouldn't have cleared leather and told the mob to disperse?

    If cops can do it, why not the legal owners and residents of that house, in the same situation?
     
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    Not sure why you thought people doubted it, but I may have missed a post or two where some said they doubted it.

    The video of them defending their home while armed has been in the news. My question isn't whether they displayed firearms--it's whether they committed the crime of unlawful brandishing.
     
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  7. Vito

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    Its hard for many of us to contemplate the mindset of the Far Left Liberal. A few weeks ago, when there was looting and rioting going on across the nation, I read about a case in either Washington State or Oregon where a man called the police to report a car jacking. The police were able to arrest the carjacker. The car owner then went to the news media saying he was sincerely sorry that he had called the police. He said since the carjacker, who had threatened him with a gun, was black, he thought there was a good chance that the criminal would be mistreated by those terrible police officers, and he wished he had not called the police and just written off his car, which was, he said, not as important as avoiding police mistreatment of a black man. The reality that some person could actually feel this way should be mind boggling but unfortunately it is not. If the couple is charged, and this goes to trial, I have little doubt that there could be people in the jury pool who will be thinking that these "rich white people" need to be punished for their "privilege" and that the black and white rioters that threatened the lives of the couple were well within their moral rights to do so.

    Unfortunately we do not have a Right wing George Soros, willing to set up an organization and have staff ready to go out and organize protests and more on our behalf. Maybe if we had such a sponsor and such an organization, when the police went to serve the warrant to seize the rifle they would have been met with an angry crowd of hundreds or thousands that would tell the police that if they dare proceed with the warrant they will not likely survive the next few minutes. What is going on reminds me all too much of what I know went on in Germany in the early 1930's when the Nazis were a small right wing political party, but they were well organized and had mobs of tough young men willing to burn businesses, beat people in the street, confront the police and totally intimidate the seemingly more civil and civilized but totally unorganized German population. And of course once the Nazis controlled the legal government and installed Hitler as their Chancellor, it was virtually impossible for any that opposed him and the Nazis to organize and act collectively. So while the BLM and Antifa thugs are a tiny minority, they are organized and seeming to intimidate the elected authorities and big corporations into surrendering or at least appeasing them If these America haters, under the banner of the Democrat Party, win the White House and the Senate, in addition to the House, we may literally be facing a situation every bit as dire as what the German people faced in 1933 and '34.
     
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    If the couple haven't been charged with any crime whatsoever, was the seizure of their property lawful? What criminal charges does the DA hope to establish using the seized "evidence" it there is no evidence that a crime was committed ? I'd be hiring Dershowitz ASAP.
    Maybe I skipped over some posts that discussed this.
     
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    Dunno. Again, my only point that were no charges to be dropped.
     
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    I think you are quite astute in your observations and predictions, Vito, except: IMO, the Nazis weren't really a right-wing group by our definition. They were fascists like Mussolini was. Like Stalin was. They qualify more as "far-left" than "far-right."

    A far-right group in the USA would, presumably, be radically AGAINST disarming anyone who isn't a criminal. The Nazis et al wanted to disarm everyone, criminal or not, who opposed their totalitarian ideology. Today's "progressive/socialist Democrat" liberals actually don't mind if the criminals in American society have guns. It's the GOOD guys among us they fear and want to disarm, because that's who is willing and able to oppose the Left's agenda for America. Drug cartels and gangs don't care if Lefties are running the country--they probably are in favor of it.
     
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    yes, sorry if my agreement on that point wasn't clear.
     
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    If that is true, then Kentucky here I come!
     
  13. Pluto57

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    Cops haven't been dispersing many crowds lately.
     
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    I don't get to make the laws (loons out vote me).

    If they believed they were being murdered then the law allows deadly force to protect themselves.

    In court, I think it goes something like "Would a reasonable person..."

    If jury members believe actions were reasonable, then no crime. If DA thought the actions were reasonable, then no court.
     
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    I think cops will follow a pay check.
     
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    True, but if it's 2 isolated cops against the mob in this scenario, I bet they wouldn't hesitate to start "brandishing" and I wouldn't blame them.
     
  18. IvanVic

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    “Just following orders...”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/brea...r-is-that-we-are-going-to-be-indicted-shortly

    McCloskey said that the officers did not believe that he and his wife did anything wrong but were being forced to carry out the order by St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly Gardner, a Democrat, who claimed that the McCloskeys defending their private property was a “violent assault.”

    Sometimes I struggle to feel bad for cops.
     
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    "...We Are Going To Be Indicted Shortly’'

    It will be interesting to see if that rumor turns out to be true.
    If what they did is really a violent felony, then they are no worse than St. George Floyd the Martyr, who actually hit a pregnant woman and held a gun on her abdomen while actually busting into her home as his part of an armed robbery. According to BLM, violent felons are our heroes.
     
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  20. wjv

    wjv RIP Stan Lee.. . .

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    This couple is very, very wealthy.
    Hopefully they use some of that wealth to hire some pitbull like attorneys who will make the DA's life miserable.

    Start at $10M and go up from there. . .
     
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