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Cosmic Conflict-The Origin of Evil

Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Kingarthurhk, Apr 21, 2012.

  1. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQmLVU_nvo8&feature=related"]Cosmic Conflict - The Origin of Evil (AmazingFacts ©) - YouTube[/ame]
     
  2. SDGlock23

    SDGlock23 Homunculus

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    Interesting thread, surprised it hasn't got more attention. I haven't watched your included video yet.
     

  3. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Yes, I included it for the folks who are always wanting to try to ascribe evil to God. I thought it was important to understand the actual author and continual perpetrator of evil is not God but Lucifer.
     
  4. packsaddle

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    God created Lucifer.

    God knew evil would arise.

    God knew we would fall.

    God sent Jesus.

    Jesus rescued us from evil.

    All is well.
     
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    You've misunderstood the argument.
     
  6. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    Is Lucifer more powerful than God?
     
  7. Vic Hays

    Vic Hays

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    he wants to be:

    Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
     
  8. Animal Mother

    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    Is wanting to be the same as being?
     
  9. G23Gen4TX

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    OMG. That video is Gold, Jerry. Gold.
     
  10. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    Well, let's examine that. Hypothetically, say you are a king, and I am your subject. I decide I want to usurp your authority, so I go around fomenting rebellion.

    Then I do everything in my power to commit regicide. I don't succeed, because your power and soldiers are too much for me.

    I think that demonstrates the wanting vs being concept.

    There is an intent, malice, a conspiracy, and a plan of action. Just because it fails, doesn't make it any less heinous or destructive.
     
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    Animal Mother Not Enough Gun

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    We're not discussing position or intent, we're talking about power. God is supposed to be omnipotent. Is Lucifer also omnipotent?
     
  12. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    god, lucifer, jesus, holy ghost, angels, demons, etc... it's all so complicated. good thing it's a monothiestic religion or we would be in real trouble.
     
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    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    1. Being omnipotent, god created lucifer out of nothing with the exact attributes he intended.
    2. Being omniscient, god knew exactly what lucifer would do once created (e.g. introduce evil into creation).
    3. Being infallible, god has a plan for creation that can not be circumvented.
    Therefore, got created lucifer out of nothing exactly as intended knowing full well that he would introduce evil into creation and that this evil is actually an intentional and integral part of god's plan (whatever that plan happens to be). Any other conclusion requires one of those three attributes of god to be false.

    Ergo, god is the source of all evil (or god is not really a god at all).
     
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  14. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    well said.

    and all this time i thought it was Ming the Merciless that was the cosmic evil.
     
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    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    I know right? Normally I wouldn't suggest one of KA's videos but you have to see the first 3 min. of this one. They have light sabers!
     
  16. Gunhaver

    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    What you're forgetting is all the calls in the bible to kiss god's butt. You're not supposed to notice things like that. Happy thoughts are for god, bad thoughts are for the devil.
     
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    Gunhaver the wrong hands

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    G26S239 NRA Patron

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    "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
     
  20. Geko45

    Geko45 Smartass Pilot CLM

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    Alright then, so god agrees with my logic.