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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by ERASER, Dec 3, 2012.
Sadly, I kind of agree with evidence retention laws.
Accessing them should require a court order.
Why don't the cops just ask to be able to enter any house they want for no apparent reason and search it? They want more and more of our rights yet howl and scream when a civilian review board proposal comes up.
The articles title is grossly over broad giving the impression that all cops or at least a majority of them are asking for this. But in fact the petitioners are representatives of the,
"Major Cities Chiefs Police Association".
90% of the idiots that live on the coasts already think that the rest of the country thinks like them, except for everyone in fly-over country.
You wanna see a NYCer's eyes bug out? Have em travel to AZ or likewise and see someone open carrying a gun.
The right to mandate retention times is absurd. Beyond the potential abuse who is going to pay for the cost off additional storage to maintain two years worth of text messages. Data retention laws are already a pain to deal with, adding another one for none legally classified data is a joke.
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Maybe keep recordings of all phone calls - and have the post office open and take copies of all mail. Just in case.
have to get a warrant to acess just like anything else.....no problem here.
"Cops: All you communications are belong to us!"
Isn't that one of the groups that endorses every anti-gun proposal that comes out of the Brady Campaign?
No. They are the group that WRITES every anti-gun proposal that the Brady Campaign rubber stamps.
Yeah, "Major cities Chiefs association " is code for "talking heads for their political masters". Think "Bloomturd.....ehh Bloomberg".
It does require a court order.
Did you guys read the article? What they are asking for is for the cell phone providers to be required to store sms messages for 2 years instead of the industry standard 30 days. We're not looking to be cc'd on all your text messages.
oh, that's much better........
And what exactly is wrong with it? Sometimes there are investigations where we are not aware of the identity of a suspect until after that time frame. Currently we can petition the company to hold them on a particular account for longer than 30 days, but again, we have to have a particular person in mind.
well, sorry. I bet back in the day there were investigations where the letter they had sent by pony express had gone missing!
I do not want my PRIVATE communications logged for 2 years to make YOUR job more convenient. So even though I have not been involved in a crime, my stuff is saved just in case you MAY need to pilfer through it?
They are not your text messages. They belong to the company as records kept in the normal course of business. That's how the courts view them. That's the reason we need a court order as opposed to a full blown search warrant (in most areas, some state courts have ruled otherwise). It's not about making my job convenient. It's about preserving potential incriminating evidence.
you can slice and dice it however you like I guess.
I see it as preserving a private conversation between two individuals for 2 years on the off chance that YOU may need it in the future. I think it should be treated like a tapped phone(because it is EXACTLY like a wiretap).
Just another example of the complete and utter lack of privacy in our society.
The information in my messages is mine. It does not belong to the cell phone provider, just like the contents of the package I send in the mail does not belong to USPS.