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Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by RWBlue, Feb 15, 2014.
Then I call you UnAmerican.
You are worse than Hanoi Jane.
Irish pride, black pride, southern pride, etc. Political Correctness allows them to express themselves in ways that the perceived oppressors may not.
Rabbi just female mama dog slapped you so hard, I felt it all the way down here in beautiful SC!! That was no earthquake!
Yes, I am from the same state that started it then and may be the best choice to tell our dear leader to shove his socialist dictatorship. Whose side will you be on. I will be an American all the way up until it is decided to dissolve what makes us American. AND, at that point, I will say that we will likely be able to strip that word from whatever nation Obama keeps and use that term for our own selves.
I do not come from southern aristocracy or slave ownership. In fact, much to the opposite. I hate how these threads are made to look at southerners as backwards and racist because we wanted our freedom then. Fast forward to now, and I still would like to have freedom.
Lincoln used the slavery issue to manipulate the French into not supporting the Southern rebels, just like they supported the colonist rebels.
Good post, but futile. SOS, over and over again.
if you are born in north america or south america your still a american canadians and mexicans are americans im a citizen of the united states witches is in north america
The confederate never really considered themselves un-American or anti-American. It's more like they saw America headed down the path that...well, it's still on... and they decided to exercise their right to leave the union. The leaders of the confederacy were American patriots who had served a hell of a lot more than Abe Lincoln, in government and the military. Jefferson Davis had served in the House and Senate and as secretary of war, as well as serving a couple of different times as an Army officer in combat. In fact, he resigned from congress to serve in the Mexican-American war as an infantry officer. There is a good reason our military continues to honor confederate leaders.
Speaking of that road Lincoln took us down - you wouldn't join if your state seceded now? I'd certainly go with Kentucky and, if other states that favored my viewpoint seceded and KY didn't, I'd move there.
Also: sympathizer sounds so wishy-washy. I think of myself more as an "advocate" or "supporter." If I could wear any flag I wanted on my right shoulder, as a soldier, it would be the confederate flag. Unfortunately, the confederate army isn't hiring.
As for the nonsense about being Mexican or German, if the war had not happen, I'd expect that either the 2 sides would have reunited under a constitution with more clear protection for state rule, or the 2 countries would be close allies. In fact, I suspect Mexico might have become the more-southern confederate states.
We would be Baja Americans!
Kinda like Texans are from Baja Oklahoma.
the constitution never would have been ratified if are for fathers would have forseen this type of tyranical federalism
They did foresee it and the remedy is in the Constitution. They just didn't realize we wouldn't avail ourselves of it before now.
There you go "I'm going to cry slavery for the sure PC victory" To do that, you have to ignore that union states had slavery during and even after the end of the civil war, while some confederates states had made slavery illegal on their own, before that - yet those slave states still stayed union and those anti-slave states still stayed confederate (Tennessee, for example).
But...but...how can that be, it was bad southern slave states vs. good northern anti-slave states, right?
I understand the whole southern pride thing. I lived there.
However the entire culture they are pining for is long gone and even back then was only possible because of the institution of slavery.
They want to relive the myth of the south without acknowledging it was all based on slavery.
I was born in America and the confederacy doesn't exist anymore. That is no reason I can't wish it was still around and realize there isn't a confederacy to move to. You don't have to be very smart to figure that out, unless you are just being intentionally dense.
My family owned seven buildings in our home town including a pharmacy run by the head of the family. I have one yellowed newpaper clipping of my however many greats grandfather standing on the courthouse steps. It is amazing to me how piercing the eyes of those men were. Pale, staring eyes in the hollowed out faces of old white haired men with beards laying on their chests, almost all in black suits. My ancestor is near the middle in the front row standing on crutches. He was the pharmacist in our town and one of the first to enlist. He came back with his health ruined to find that his wife had been swindled out of everything they owned while he was tending sick and injured soldiers all throughout the South. They saved the house by selling the land near downtown and moving it next to the railroad tracks on a little odd shaped piece of land that was all they could afford. I have been in that house when I was a child and my aunt pointed to the cracks that opened when they moved it. No one in the family ever had the money to have it repaired, from that era on we have been working class and getting by, like many of the people who lost out in that time. Fortunes were won and lost in that time, but usually it was lots of little people losing and a few winning.
I agree with his courage and morality; slavery was an evil that needed to be stamped out. But America paid with its soul to do what the founding fathers lacked the will or courage to do.
I think people are foolish if they think that America would not have become the shallow, selfish, immoral nation we have become if the Civil War had not happened or had ended in a peace between the United and Confederate states. Not gonna happen, no amout of Southern aristocratic nobility would have stopped it. But perhaps in an America where the federal government didn't have the power to tell everyone in every state how to tie their shoes or what they can eat, drink or own, maybe there would have been someplace to go.
If I recall correctly, the American Civil War killed more Americans than all of our other wars combined. It devastated the economy and left hatred and divisions that will never heal. It was fought to end slavery but that was not its cause. It was an economic war that was waged to maintain the economic primacy of the industrial North East.
"Save the Union" was the rallying cry but it would have been more accurate if it had been "For the shareholders".
Lincoln was the man of the hour. He saved the Union and I will give him credit for being a statesman and not intending to punish the South. Which is probably what got him assasinated. But what he did to the existing political power structure on the United States pretty much made it inevitable that we become a popular Democracy rather than a Republic and laid the groundwork for what we have now, a grossly over powered and despotic central government run by. . . wait for it, the same class of people who engineered the Civil War. The same people who send us to war for sugar, or oil. In the name of liberty and human rights of course.
Well, the states that once made up The Confederacy are the freedom loving states today. The Union, today, contains the most socialistic states, and people, in America.
Maybe there is something to it.
the remedy is in the constitution they just didnt forsee a house controlled by a gop with no balls
"Isn't it unAmerican to be a Confederate Sympathizer?"
Isn't it unAmerican to be totally uninformed like you? Isn't it?
Really, don't they have history books where you live?
Google the Hartford Convention of 1814-1815.
It was okay for the New England states to consider secession 50 years before the War Between the States.
Historical sympathizers. Reading is fundamental.
What they didn't foresee was an electorate that resembled this:
And there we have it. HH
Well, I have read that the confederate Army was the first on the continent to let free black soldiers serve in combat for pay. Not to mention being the most favorable to Jews (the first Jewish U.S. Senator went with the south, where he became secretary of state) and the first to have Native American soldiers, including Brig. gen. Standhope Uwatie.
The red stars are for the civilized tribes and the Cherokee nation.
Hollywood would like to paint the south as "white supremacists" and try to equate them to modern white supremacists, but it was a lot different, according to history. The attitudes of northerners at the time were at least as racist, if not more so.