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Prices are difinitely coming down. That's the best price I have seen.
Prices are difinitely coming down. That's the best price I have seen.
Putting two and two together, that may very well be the case.If I remember right, it seems like I read that Colt is ending the LE series, both the 6920 and 6940, for some reason, and those are clearance prices.
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That's another whole can of worms. IMHO, the only important difference is the barrel twist, which means little or nothing to most of us. The 6920 will work with 70 grain and heavier bullets IIRC; the M&P series with 1:9 twist will handle 69 grain and below.I'm missing something here. You can get a M&P15 chambered in .223 at Cabelas and I'm sure other places for even cheaper than $999.
Is the 6920 that much better than the M&P15?
This. I personally prefer the S&W, but at that price, you can't go wrong with a Pony.Colt has a pissy attitude at best IMO; I personally like S&W's overall image a lot better. I would probably opt for a 6920LE at the price myself, even so.
If M&P is making them to the TDP, then they'll get a higher consideration.I'm missing something here. You can get a M&P15 chambered in .223 at Cabelas and I'm sure other places for even cheaper than $999.
There is certainly a hierarchy of quality, mainly related, as Morris stated, to TDP compliance. The odds are that most of the mass-produced rifles will run fine in the hands of most people. The higher-end rifles (Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, Noveske, and BCM) ARE indeed built to a higher standard and are more likely to hold up. Some of the things that the lower-end companies are not doing or not doing well are significant and can have an impact on reliability. Carrier key staking, high pressure testing and magnetic particle inspection, etc are all very important. Better QC is better QC and can less QC can only be subsidized so far by price.I'm missing something here. You can get a M&P15 chambered in .223 at Cabelas and I'm sure other places for even cheaper than $999.
Is the 6920 that much better than the M&P15?
Agreed. I'm running a lower-end smith, and while it's missing a few things (no dust cover or forward assist), it's actually a really well-built rifle, especially considering I paid $640 for it.I agree with DBBR, but from what I have seen in comparison, the M&P series has most of what is really important. I suppose most of us saw the famous 'spreadsheet' that was going around for a while. Smith fell short of Colt in the comparison, but still looked good. IIRC, they fell in the top third or fourth on the list, but missed out on a couple items.
Go for it! :thumbsup:Agreed. I'm running a lower-end smith, and while it's missing a few things (no dust cover or forward assist), it's actually a really well-built rifle, especially considering I paid $640 for it.
ETA: I still might end up picking up the Colt, though; they're local to my work.
No, that's a good comparison. Makes sense to me now. I know that Craftsman are great tools, so point understood.There is certainly a hierarchy of quality, mainly related, as Morris stated, to TDP compliance. The odds are that most of the mass-produced rifles will run fine in the hands of most people. The higher-end rifles (Colt, LMT, Daniel Defense, Noveske, and BCM) ARE indeed built to a higher standard and are more likely to hold up. Some of the things that the lower-end companies are not doing or not doing well are significant and can have an impact on reliability. Carrier key staking, high pressure testing and magnetic particle inspection, etc are all very important. Better QC is better QC and can less QC can only be subsidized so far by price.
It's hard to make a clear analogy to the handgun, automotive, or tool world (or anything else guy-related) that doesn't evoke a bunch of brand-warring, but I guess to me it's the difference between a Mac or Snap-On wrench and a craftsman or Ridgid one, or the difference between a Beretta 92 and a Taurus PT92. Both items will probably serve most folks well, but one of them is truly "professional grade" while the other will almost always be considered "as good as."
I think they learned their lesson after the Clinton "sell out" and subsequent boycott. . . Plus they now have different owners. . .Colt has a pissy attitude at best IMO; I personally like S&W's overall image a lot better. I would probably opt for a 6920LE at the price myself, even so.