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Closing the Private Sale "Loophole"

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by SgtRambo, Dec 27, 2012.

  1. Averageman

    Averageman

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    Do you honestly expect that these folks who studied Mao, Marx and Lennin will be willing to compromise?
    Look this isn't about safety or human suffering. All of that went out the widow with "Fast and Furious" didn't it?
    It's about an agenda, it is about control, it is about the media.
    If you believe in freedom, dont sell it an inch at a time to someone who will only want more. When has compromise worked with these folks?
     
  2. gwalchmai

    gwalchmai Lucky Member

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    Not to mention that it will stop the heartbreak of psoriasis...

    Guys, we've been over this and over this. The antis don't care a whit about the background checks. They just want the registration that such a system requires. Try as you may you will not find a way to make background checks work for private sales without a database of guns and owners. And that's a bad thing, remember?
     

  3. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    I don't disagree with any of the above. Although we must say that we have seen the left compromising/losing on gun-rights in the last 10+ years.

    But my question still stands.

    Would you trade closing the loop-hole for not having a major loss on anti-gun legislation.

    What's the lesser of two evils?
     
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  4. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    you cant be that stupid can you?:whistling:
     
  5. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    I find it both funny, and sad, that no one can just answer that question.

    Do you think you will get cooties by answering a simple question?:rofl:

    And no, I'm not sutpid. I am very well versed on this particular topic.
     
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    There is no national gun registry but each gun store keeps their copy of the 4473 for forever. I can see where the BATF simply amends their (federal) regulations to accomplish new gun control. They can easily amend their regs by simply publishing the new requirements in the Federal Register, waiting the required waiting period then implementing the changes. They can require all firearms transactions to be performed by a FFL - there's already a clause that states federal law is the law of the land. And they can also classify certain firearms and magazines as contraband. Already happened before. I wrote changes to federal purchasing regs that were implemented so I know it can be done.
     
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  7. tarpleyg

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    Great attitude. How will you feel when they force you to go to a car dealer to sell your car to another person? What you fail to understand is that the people who want controls like this want TOTAL control over everything you do and they won't stop until they get it. Attitudes like yours make it that much easier.
     
  8. gwalchmai

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    Sigline material right there... :rofl:
     
  9. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    :rofl::rofl:

    You state all of that as if you are not preaching to the choir.

    The people to be concerned about right now are not the rabid anti-gunners like Feinstein, that would repeal the 2A if they could.

    No, the people we need to be concerned about right now are the folks that normally don't care about guns and gun control one way or another, but are freaking out over Sandy Hook.

    Those are the people that are giving the rabid anti-gunners their temporary political ability to get anti-gun legislation passed.
     
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  10. Averageman

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    Look to be honest at this point the Left has the agenda and we march out Wayne LaPierre and look even stupider than before.

    Now I am a member of the NRA and I don't dislike LaPierre, but this is an example:

    We saw how Romney won a good deal of the debate, when the whole issue of "Fast and Furious" and Benghazi were left hanging out there like a big slow pitch softball Romney could have knocked it out of the park and won the election,..well he at least would have done much better..

    That's what we are facing now, if you aren't willing to get really confrontational with these guys they don't get it. You need to put them on the ropes and hit them with the kind of facts people can relate to. LaPierre cant do that, and neither can compromise.
     
  11. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    i have to question your intellegence on this matter you say youre very well versed on when you mention giving up a gun right now to stop their assault on our rights in the future.

    you were either born yesterday or you are that stupid.
     
  12. RussP

    RussP Super Moderator Moderator

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    Everyone, M&P15T has been discussing his "compromise" theory in several threads. He gets the same response in every one of them.

    Gun show loop hole??

    The Big Picture

    I'm just gonna ask one question
     
  13. M&P15T

    M&P15T Beard One

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    I would try and explain it to you, but I have tried this in the past, and folks here just cannot grasp the entire picture.

    Russ here is a clear demonstration of folk's in-ability to grasp what is happening.

    Many, many pages........and no understanding.

    Oh well.

    It's obvious it's a waste of time.
     
  14. Averageman

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    Maybe I'm a little bit older than most of you.
    Your rights in my 51 year lifetime have been significantly changed. It was all done in the name of common sense and compromise.
    You cannot get those sitting on the fence to take your side if you aren't the loudest most offencive SOB in the room. Armed with facts you can beat these Ninnys back like Jesus in the Temple beating some money changers.
    You cannot go in in a three piece suit as if you are talking to the Liberals and trying to convince them to change their ways. You can't go in like Ted Nugent either, but surely we can go in with someone who wants to go on the offence rather than to continue to be on the defence.
     
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  15. 2bgop

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    What specific topic is that?
     
  16. gwalchmai

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    I guess he thinks that even a broken record is right twice a day... :upeyes:
     
  17. M&P15T

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    :rofl::rofl:
     
  18. shotgunred

    shotgunred local trouble maker

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    NO!

    First off there is no loop-hole! The left uses that term in order to say we are getting away with something.

    We are not!

    Heck the local gun store by me charges $75 to do a FFL transfer. He feels you are cheating him by not buying the gun from him. I have to go to the next town over to pay $20.
     
  19. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    maybe he/she can tell us which one of previous gun rights which were taken away stopped the next round of anti self defense and gun rights laws?

    lets just stick to the federal anti gun laws....was it the ban on automatic firearms without extra special taxes and permission? was it the ban on short barreled shotguns without extra taxes and special permission? was it the ban on buying a handgun from a licensed dealer out of state without having to pay shipping and transfer fees not asscoaited with longgun purchases? was it the ban on magazines holding 11 rounds or more (which expired only through compromize like he/she wants)....

    which previous federal assaults on our gun rights stopped future assaults on our gun right?
     
  20. RussP

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    As you have been told numerous times, we very clearly understand your principle of capitulation before negotiation. We understand you want to enter negotiations with those wishing to ban firearms by offering them the supposed 'gun show loop hole'.

    Once that has been accepted, you believe that in exchange the masses will not demand any other concessions and withdraw their public pressure. Then, you believe, the Bloombergs, the Feinsteins, the Brady groups will shrivel up without the masses supporting their extreme demands.

    You have made that very clear.

    You, however, do not understand that everyone else disagrees with you.

    Yes, we understand. You do not understand.