Cleaning barrels with vinegar and hydogen peroxide

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  1. sean4570

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    I have used this once or twice, 50%white vinegar- 50% hydrogen peroxide to remove lead from barrels.
    I also have read both doomsday, to high praise for this mixture.
    My question is does two non toxic liquids, when mixed together form a toxic, hazmat by product?
    Chem. engineers please check in.
     
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    Google "lead acetate". From what I have read this is what forms when you use white vinegar and peroxide. Very nasty stuff.
     
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    Kano Kroil is the best thing I have used for leading. The oil that creeps.
     
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    So does the vinegar-peroxide mix create "lead acetate" when it comes in contact with lead?
     
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    That is what I understand. It is all about the chemical reaction between the vinegar, the peroxide and the lead. Lead acetate is easily absorbed through the skin and is known to be toxic.

    There are much safer methods of lead removal. Kroil, as mention works well, a lot of people use the Lewis Lead removal tool available through Brownell's. There are several commercial solutions on the market as well.
     
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    Yes.

    Link:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate

    From the link under Industrial uses:

    An aqueous solution of lead(II) acetate is the byproduct of a 1:1 ratio of hydrogen peroxide and white vinegar (acetic acid)
    used in the cleaning and maintenance of stainless steel firearm suppressors (silencers) and compensators. The solution is agitated by the bubbling action of the hydrogen peroxide, and the main reaction is the dissolution of lead deposits within the suppressor by the acetic acid, which forms lead acetate.

    Because of its high toxicity, this chemical solution must be appropriately disposed by a chemical processing facility or hazardous materials centre. Alternatively, the solution may be reacted with sulfuric acid to precipitate nearly insoluble lead(II) sulfate. The solid may then be removed by mechanical filtration and is safer to dispose of than aqueous lead acetate.
     
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    I have tried it before. I really like Kroil to clean barrels over some of the other commercial stuff and home brews.

    Hydrogen Peroxide and vinegar = Peracetic Acid

    Combine this with lead and you get lead acetate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate
     
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    Sounds like a good argument for powder coating our cast boolits.
     
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    It is eye opening that two not toxic ingredients can cause that much havoc.
     
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    Seriously...who comes up with such utter stupidity?
     
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    Why reinvent the wheel?
     
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    View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVKp0h9no3o&t=13s


    I have used this electrolysis method on my Glock barrels with success. I used a metal rod with rubber o-rings on it and vinegar water mix. There are more youtube videos showing this method. I have not used peroxide.
     
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    Yep, if I had any suspicions that what I am considering using would become toxic I'd just find something else that works and is not toxic. That's just me.
     
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    I find kroil to be very, more effective compared to ammonium lead bore cleaners. YMMV :)
     
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    Sooooo...someone explain how Kroil works in "removing" the lead before jumping to thinking that it is safe(r). Lead doesn't evaporate, it has to go somewhere else. Consider that.

    I personally don't care, since I don't clean the barrels.
     
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    It gets between the lead and the barrel steel, it "creeps" under. Apply with a patch then let it sit for a bit. The lead can then be brushed loose with a bronze brush or Lewis tool. Repeat as necessary. I've found that to a lesser extent it will work on copper fouling in a rifle too.
     
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    I have use

    I have used all the above at one point or another. But my fight has always been with copper fouling in my long guns. The electrolysis method certainly works, though it takes some time. I actually purchased the Lyman electrolysis tool. And it worked well. The chemicals they provide were the main ingredient. Can’t recall the what Lyman provided now.
    I’ve never fired many lead billets through a Glock. I guess I was always concerned about the kaboom factor. I found I could buy plated bullets for not that much more than lead. Not so much in .45 though.
    That being said, I found that plain white vinegar woukd completely dissolve a .45 cast bullet overnight, if I remember correctly. I was surprised to find that out.
    As to being concerned about the hazmat chemical stew mixing peroxide/vinegar/lead it might be pointed out that the actual volume produced is extremely low. Don’t want to get it on ya or in ya, but reasonable care should suffice, IMHO. Assuming you only detail clean the barrel every so often.
     
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    We haven't had a lube war for several months now. Time to get out the popcorn again.
     
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    Fmj s for me id rather the lead go with the boolet down range