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Erap EO lifted limits on gun ownership, says PNP official

MANILA, Philippines - Civilians can own as many high-powered assault rifles as they want, a Philippine National Police (PNP) official said Monday.

The only hitch? People may be allowed to carry only one gun in public, said Chief Superintendent Napoleon Estilles, chief of the PNP Firearms and Explosives Division.

He told radio dzMM's "Dos por Dos" that Malacañang, under the former Estrada administration, issued Executive Order (EO) 194 that lifted the limits on gun ownership in the country.

"Noong una po, ang patakaran, hanggang 10. Pero nung lumabas po iyun EO 194 na sinundan po nung isang circular galing PNP, bale inalis na po iyung limit kung ilan po ang magkakaroon ng lisensiyadong baril ang isang tao," he said.

Estilles added that the only requirement is that the firearms must be registered with police.

The police issues licenses and permits-to-carry for high-powered assault rifles like the AK-47 and the M-16, he said.

More powerful weapons, however, are still banned.

"Iyun pong gaya ng mga machine gun, M203, grenade launcher, hindi po iyun puwede. Iyung mga mga sniper rifle na caliber .50, hindi po iyun pupuwede," Estilles said.

He explained that assault weapons, like the AK-47, fall under the high-powered rifle category. "Puedeng lisensiyahan po iyon."

Meanwhile, no ownership are permits given by the PNP for more powerful weapons. "Light machine guns like gaya ng .50 caliber, M60. Belted po siya deredeterso po putok noon."

He said high-caliber machine guns mounted on vehicles are also banned. "Iyon po ang bawal. Hindi na po iyon puwedeng lisensiyahan namin"

No limit on assault weapons

Estilles said no limit is also placed on the number of licensed AK-47s or M-16s that a civilian can own. "Wala rin pong limit sa high-powered (assault rifles kung ilan)."

However, he quickly added that people won't be able to bring the guns outside their home unless they have a permit to carry.

"Puedeng isyuhan ng permit to carry lahat ng baril na iyon, pero isa lang ang puwede niyang dalhin," the police official said.

"Halimbawa, may 5 ka pong hand guns, puwede mo pong aplayan ng permit iyon, pero hindi mo naman sabay-sabay na madadala iyon... na papayagan naming dalhin," he explained.

He said police issued permits-to-carry for high-powered rifles, depending on the qualifications and needs of applicants.

"Mga governor or (Cabinet) secretary... pinagbibigyan po iyon," he said.

Estilles said the only difference on the regulation between between hand guns and high-powered assault is the probability of people getting permits to bring them out. "Kung ano po iyung (license) requirements sa handguns, ganoon din po sa high-powered firearms."

"Matagal na po itong pinatutupad namin," he said, citing Estrada's EO 194.

He said rising criminality during the period may have prompted the Palace to issue the EO.

Estilles also mentioned the shortage in the number of police officers who can serve as security personnel of high-profile officials.

He cited the low police-to-civilian ratio in the country, as well as lack of police presence in some areas.

"Siguro po, mas maganda kung civilians magkaroon ng baril, basta lisensiyado lang," he said. "Iyung mga gun store, alam na rin po nila procedure. May mga application permits na roon, iyung mga requirements. Dapat pagbibilhan nila iyung mga legitimate gun dealers."

Llamas case

The PNP Firearms and Explosives Division chief issued the statements after guns were found in the possession of 2 employees of Presidential Political Adviser Ronaldo Llamas.

Estilles said Llamas has a license and a permit to carry for the AK-47 found inside his sports utility vehicle (SUV) that figured in an accident Friday.

He explained that the only problem was that Llamas was not the one carrying the weapon. "Iyon nga po ang problema."

He said the responsibility lies in the 2 employees who brought the guns with them.

"Iyon pong dalawang iyon, inutusan na po ako ni chief PNP [Director-General Nicanor Bartolome] na criminal aspect ng case na ito ay pag-aralan na po at imbestigahan ng QCPD [Quezon City Police District]."

He said the 2 men can be charged with illegal possession of firearms.

"Iyon pong sa akin naman, iyung administrative liability... puwede po naming isubject for revocation iyung license for firearms," Estilles said. "Iyon po ang plano naming gawin." ( abs-cbn.com dated 10.10.2011 )
 

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I did not know about this one. I have been working outside the Phillippines for 10 years na and was not informed that I can own as many high powered rifles, as my money can permit. I currently own a Glock 17 for recreational shooting and home defense. Now I wish to own at least one high powered rifle or a machine pistol such as the MP-5.

Mga sir, may alam ho ba kayong gunstore dyan sa Pinas na nagbebenta ng M-16, M4, or the submachine gun MP5 ? Magkakaano ho kaya ang mga eto?

Salamat.
 

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Chief Supt. Estilles' interview is by far the clearest one that I know. However, actual experience is different. At AFAD gunshow two years ago, I inquired about an HPR and got a quick reply.."we don't sell to civilians.." Just recently, I bought a .22LR rifle and in discussing the licensing requirements, I mentioned it was my 10th FA. PBD's sales guy suddenly said that they still need to clear it with FEO before processing my license. It ended with me processing the license.:supergrin:
 

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If you read between the lines, it is clear that the PNP is now seeing things the way the pro-gun side has been seeing it for some time: People should not be prevented from acquiring the means to effectively defend themselves.

I hope there won't be an idiot gun owner who'll again ruin things for everyone else.
 

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QUOTE=norman9X;18023019]This new incident is causing more bad rep to gun ownership. Pinagiinitan ng media at solons yung nangyari kay Llamas. Kapalpakan ng mga tauhan sya tuloy ang madidiin.

Senators with police, military backgrounds split on Llamas’ gun case

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/73739/senators-with-police-military-backgrounds-split-on-llamas%e2%80%99-gun-case[/QUOTE]

Just saw the appropriate thread so I'm just reposting.

Indeed there will be additional scrutiny to gun ownership esp. high powered rifles. I believe Llamas is allowed since he is an official in Malacañang but wrong execution of his bodyguards. Mas lalong uminit ang usapin sa balita kasi AK ang dala which is associated to terrorist rifles. Sama talaga ng rep ng AK. Di ko lang alam kung pareho reaction nila kung nakita M4 or smg.

In the first place, nobody would believe he's only protecting himself because the AK is lodged underneath the driver's seat. Eh nung nililipat pa nga yung rifle pahirapan pang bunutin kahit bukas na yung pinto. Kung nagkaratratan yatap din amo nya bago pa sila makabunot. Ang nakapagtataka may isang bala sa ilalim ng passenger side para tuloy pinaglalaruan sa loob ng sasakyan.
 

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in my opinion, since the guns are registered in his name, the guns are suppose to be where he is, if he would be out of the country it should be stored in his place of residence. there is a clear violation of illegal possesion in the case of his bodyguards, driver or anyother person in this situation mentioned and propper punishment to the offending persons should be executed.
 

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in my opinion, since the guns are registered in his name, the guns are suppose to be where he is, if he would be out of the country it should be stored in his place of residence. there is a clear violation of illegal possesion in the case of his bodyguards, driver or anyother person in this situation mentioned and propper punishment to the offending persons should be executed.
Llamas can be held liable administratively since it is his responsibility to secure FAs under his name, but there are still points to argue on this. The PNP Chief can very well revoke his licenses anytime, but it can also be restored anytime since there is no law against it.
 

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Llamas can be held liable administratively since it is his responsibility to secure FAs under his name, but there are still points to argue on this. The PNP Chief can very well revoke his licenses anytime, but it can also be restored anytime since there is no law against it.
In my opinion, administrative liability does not hold so much weight for the "big wigs". There should be a criminal aspect to these sorts and include suspension of all FA licenses he holds, which would most likely put some "fangs" into the law.
 

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The middle one is the VZ-58. Hardly a "Czech AK" though it resembles one, it does not even take AK mags (methinks the Czechs dropped the ball on this issue). It has far better ergonomics, I can manipulate the selector with my trigger finger, it locks back on the last round, and it can be fed from the top via stripper clips.

A friend in Cebu has gone gaga over it after shooting one belonging to another friend...
 

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dami mo nga 5.56 na bala but where will you use them? ;)

PTT they only give out when there is an upcoming high power match. yes, i agree, the PTCs for high power are useless. i heard somewhere, PNP can issue PTC for highpower Fa, lulusot sa checkpoints, but when the high powered FA was used they will deny/cancel they issued the PTC. so practically worthless!

I'm not interested in a PTC for a rifle, at the price they charge I could buy a thousand rounds of 5.56. But what about PTTs?
 

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I'm not particularly interested in PTC for HPR either. I'm more concerned on the stricter gun ownership and shooting as a sport. But how come when I inquired last weekend at a shop in MCS that I can't buy an M4 upper kit because I'm a civilian? They can just sell it to a police or law enforcement officials so best way is to bring a friend in LEO. hmmm...
 
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