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Discussion in 'Religious Issues' started by Colubrid, Dec 5, 2012.
So there just aren't enough people selflessly asking god for world peace or a cure for cancer?
Isn't there an old saying about praying for peace but preparing for war?
Also, I think that not taking safety precautions is more like testing God than trusting Him.
Julius Caesar was a Christian?
If you believe you're going to heaven when you die, why do anything to forstall the trip?
You don't have to be Christian to give good advice.
There is still much work to be done in this life.
Although you make a valid point, you can't go around blaming atheists for everything.
I want to hear your thoughts on Matthew 5:38-48
Seems like Christ was instructing his followers to not resist those that would harm you. To not fight back. To freely give that which someone would steal. Seems he taught absolute pacifism.
Seems like he felt you should love your enemy in order to be perfect like the father.
To take the "Grab a Sword" line as a call to defend one's self with weapons and violence seems to make Jesus a hypocrite.
So the "consider the lilies of the field" thing is just BS?
It's a teaching not to retaliate or seek revenge, but to be patient to even those who harm you. Not to seek to get killed or lay down to be killed. Christ evaded stoning and encouraged his followers at one time to obtain a sword if they didn't already have one.
Others disagree that the "Get a sword" passage was about taking up a weapon to defend one's self. Jesus used non-violence to avoid injury but never self-defense via weapons or combat. What is your basis that he would approve of such actions?
My basis is that swords at that time were used for two things. To attack someone or two defend oneself when under attack. The latter is more passive than the former.