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Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by SCmasterblaster, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    I can empty my 17-shot G17 very quickly under calm conditions. Even faster, I suppose, when I am shooting to save innocent lives. I expect that I will fire more than two or three shots into the felon's COM. Question; is there a facial feature on a felon who is about to collapse and die? I don't want my jury to hear that I fired 12 shots into the felon's chest when it is thought that 2 or 3 would do.
     
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  3. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    HaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. SCmasterblaster

    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    Funny, but I am looking for a serious reply.
     
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    Oh, I thought the question was a joke.
     
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    You shoot until the threat is neutralized. That might be one, might be 17. If the guy drops after two, and is no longer a threat...and you give him 17 for good measure.....you in trouble mister!
     
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    Yeah, when you see this face...
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    ...stop shooting.

    You can grab a bag of ice and try to help, if you want to look better in the jury's eyes.
     
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    The miscreant doesn't have to drop to end the threat. Staying upright is normal. You have to keep your eyes open to assess whether the threat is done, after one shot or more.
     
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    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    So it is best to fire two or three shots, and then wait to see him/her drop?
     
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    The shoot until the threat is stopped is the good answer.
     
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    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    This, sitting a sofa chair in a safe home, makes sense. But I'm thinking that being threatened with deadly force may remove my clear thinking. Maybe I should practice at the range firing three rapid shots at a time?
     
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    If this is a serious question, the serious answer is that there is no correct number of shots. As a general concept, you are responsible for every round you fire. You should reassess the threat after every round. IANAL, and you should probably consult one who is familiar with the laws of your state.

    I can say that in LE at least, each shot is viewed as a discrete use of force, and each must be both reasonable and necessary given the threat that existed at the moment the round was fired.

    There have been justified shootings that were over with one round fired, and there have been shootings where several reloads were necessary before the threat was eliminated.
     
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    Discussing this beforehand I'd have to ask why you would practice to automatically fire three rounds? What's wrong with firing one shot at a time?
     
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    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    I expect that my CCW rate of panicked fire would be three or four rounds per second. I am going to just practice firing 2 or 3 rounds at a time.
     
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    If a jury is required in your shooting, then you screwed up already.
     
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    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    Which is why I will practice firing only three shots at a time.
     
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    Why are you expecting your panic?

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    SCmasterblaster G17 carrier since 1989 Millennium Member

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    Because I have very little experience in life-threatening emergencies.
     
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    Didn’t you post a while back that you were a Vietnam vet being treated at the VA for PTSD?

    How did you aquire service related PTSD without having experienced life threatening emergencies?
     
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    There's no magic number of how many rounds to fire. Until you no longer feel he's a threat is the answer.
    But if you want to plan for a three round volley followed by a break to assess, that's not bad starting point. LE instructors used to teach two rounds, asses and fire more as needed. That's no longer the standard taught. You also have to consider your stopping to assess, should you choose to plan that, may only be a half second or so.