Carrying in half-cocked position?

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  1. Staffordshire

    Staffordshire

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    I have a DA/SA pistol that has a good single action and a very heavy double action. It has a safety for cocked and locked, however, I manually decock and practice first shots in DA. When manually decocking, I can drop it to half-cock. Or, I can full decock and then thumb back to the half cock position.

    The half cock position makes for less heavy take-up at the start of the pull. Is there any reason that I shouldn’t carry it in this manner?
     
  2. sciolist

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    If it's properly de-cocked, it should be safe - assuming you haven't changed parts that altered the half-cock position. Personally, I wouldn't mix the two systems, though.
     

  3. Jim Watson

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    I went a while with a CZ75 on half cock DA, not so much because of the weight of pull, but the length. Then IDPA made it clear that the hammer had to be all the way down.
     
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  4. Staffordshire

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    I go hammer down in USPSA Production. Which is why I prefer to carry this compact DA/SA in DA rather than SA cocked and locked. I never use the safety or practice with it. The one time I tried going SA with the safety (IDPA ESP class), I found myself drawing and going click because I forgot to thumb the safety.

    So, now, I stick to hammer down. But the half cock on this compact is a significantly better pull than the DA.
     
  5. tacit mesa

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    The "half-cock" position for a hammer is typically a safety feature, designed to catch the hammer if it's at full cock and mechanically fails and lets the hammer move forward. I'm unaware of any manufacturer or instructor who recommends leaving a hammer at half-cock as a firing mode, but there may be some out there. Knowing the brand and model of pistol would help.

    I wouldn't do it and would recommend learning the trigger.
     
  6. larry_minn

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    Yrs back there was a saying. “He went off half-cocked”. It wasn’t praise.
     
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    My father always told me not to go off half-cocked.

    Just sayin.
     
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    I carry my CZ P-07 chambered with it half-cocked.
     
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    I've wondered about this myself. I've looked at CZ pistols, and realized that dropping the hammer using the decocking lever only drops the hammer to half-cock. Never could figure out why. The old Smith and Wesson autos (DA/SA) would drop the hammer all the way down, and so does Bersa. Maybe others also.

    Is CZ saying that half cock is all that's needed and the pistol is safe to carry that way? Otherwise, you have to ease the hammer slightly back and manually lower the rest of the way using the trigger. That seems to defeat the purpose of having a decock lever.

    Opinions from the sage wise men and women of GT????
     
  11. Descendant

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    I'll take a wild guess and say:
    Tri-Star/Canik C-100 9mm - CZ PCR clone.






    :couch:
    Just based on the OP's NGD thread.
     
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    Sorry folks. Without knowing the gun, I’m going to say not safe.

    Carry guns as they were designed. Guns can fall off half-Cock and the more u do it, the more you’re wearing on that ledge.
     
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    My DAO SIG 229 goes to half cock when the slide is racked to chamber a round.
     
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    I carry my Glock on half-cock :)
     
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  15. Staffordshire

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    Correct.... C-100. Planned to go hammer down, but the DA is heavy. Considering the half cock.
    But, currently carrying G43. So, nothing decided as of yet.
     
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    The only gun I am familiar that had a functional half cock was a Korean semi auto, possibly a Daewoo, in which you half cocked the hammer and then forced it forward. This lightened the first DA pull significantly. If I remember correctly, Colt SA's had a half cock a safety that was meant to keep the hammer from falling all the way to the primer when lowering the hammer from full cock.
     
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    I just checked my safe and the Springfield 1911 and Beretta 92FS has this half cock feature. The Sig P226 does not, but it decocks the hammer in a sorta half cock way with the hammer not resting on the back of the slide like a standard decock pistol.

    It does appear to be fully safe way to carry a pistol with this feature, in my opinion. I would have no problem carrying the 92FS like this. On the 1911, not so much since you would have a dead trigger, so cocked and locked on the 1911 is the way to go.
     
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    Yup. This thread is pretty much worthless without knowing what gun we are talking about.
     
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    Thread reminds me that:

    I miss my Beretta 92FS
     
  20. Terry G

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    The only de-cocker pistol I have is a CZ P-01. I routinely rack the slide to load and then de-cock and carry that way. Completely safe the way the pistol's been designed. I've been carrying that pistol for EDC ten years. IMG_3704.JPG