Carmel Police burn kids in car.

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Kadetklapp

Discussion Starter · Apr 12, 2010

Well, that's what the local media would have you think-

http://www.indystar.com/article/201...ndreds-mourn-the-deaths-of-2-Carmel-teenagers

CARMEL, Ind. -- Hundreds of high school students gathered Sunday at a utility pole on River Road, two days after two Carmel teens died at the spot.
No one prayed or preached at the sunset vigil. The students said nothing. Their sobs and hugs told the story of their sorrow over the deaths of Jordan Moss and Jordan Poirier, 15-year-old freshmen at Carmel High School.

The boys were passengers in a car that a Carmel police officer tried to stop for speeding Friday night near 126th Street and River Road.
After a chase that police said lasted two minutes, the car hit the utility pole and burst into flames. The driver, a 15-year-old classmate, was able to get out, but the two passengers could not be rescued, police said.
Police had not released the name of the driver by late Sunday, but he reportedly was still hospitalized and recovering.
"It's so heartbreaking," said Christy Donofrio, whose daughter was the girlfriend of one of the teens who died. "There is a lot of support and a lot of community here."
Briefly, the silence at the vigil was broken by the sound of hammering -- the noise of a white cross being driven into the ground. Later, the murmurs of the crowd began to rise as gentle conversation spread. Then came a "shush" from the crowd, and the murmur was replaced by the barely audible sound of soft guitar music, played by someone in the crowd.
"It's a tight community," said Dawn Pattyn, whose daughter attends the high school and knew the teens who died. "It's just a tragedy. There are so many lessons to be learned."
Word of the deaths gradually spread Saturday. The high school used an automated phone call system to notify parents of the crash and a counseling session Sunday at the Freshman Center.
According to WTHR (Channel 13), The Indianapolis Star's news-gathering partner, counselors also will be available to students this week as classes resume after last week's spring break.
As the young mourners gathered for the vigil that began at 8 p.m., skid marks left by the speeding car were still visible.
The utility pole was decorated with makeshift signs memorializing the deceased boys. On the pole were two T-shirts, one from the University of Notre Dame and one with the slogan: "Everyone chill out -- I got this."
"It's a good group of kids," said Kurt Pantzer, who had coached one of the students who died when he played on a grade school rugby team.
"This is a heartfelt reaction to a great and sudden loss. There's going to be a whole lot of grief . . . and a whole lot of coming to accept this. It's going to be painful for everyone."

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Call Star reporter Kevin O'Neal at (317) 444-6304..

Lots of well-thought out comments at the bottom :upeyes:

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I'm surprised by the comments. Sure there are a lot of idiots but there were quite a few reasonable people that saw the proximate cause of the deaths were the driver that stole the car, fled from the police, and ran out of talent. The blame can be shared by the two deceased teens that chose to jump in the car with their buddy. Sometimes experience is a cruel teacher. I hope somebody learns the lesson.

I predict a vehicular manslaughter plea with probation for the driver.

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smullen

· #3 · Apr 12, 2010

I'm not sure why the media always seems Anti-police and Military...

My only thoughts or reason is, it seems to me that local newspapers and local news shows are a dying breed... Each year, there is less and less of a reader/viewership and they will do anything to get a story read or watched...

Seems to me that the people are tiring of the biasedness and these outlets are only putting the nail in their own coffins...

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Morris

· #4 · Apr 12, 2010

The media will look for any story that gains them headlines and follow-along profits from selling advertising (contrary to what they proclaim - they can't survive without advertising dollars or outside revenue). In that sense, the media types love to knock down ivory towers so that they can hide their own misdeeds.

There was a reasons I shifted prom a major in journalism and YELLOW was a primary driver.

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Newcop761

· #5 · Apr 12, 2010 (Edited)

"If it bleeds it leads, if it burns we earn."

Kick 'em when they're up,
Kick 'em when they're down,
Kick 'em when they're up,
Kick 'em all around,
We got the bubble-headed-bleach-blonde,
Who comes on at five,
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash,
With a gleam in her eye,
It's interesting when people die,
Give us dirty laundry.

Dirty Laundry - Don Henley

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Morris

· #6 · Apr 12, 2010

Amen. Very appropriate song.

I give lots of credits to PIOs as I would rather pepper spray the whole bunch just for effects.

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Deployment Solu

· #7 · Apr 12, 2010

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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conmetal

· #8 · Apr 12, 2010

Deployment Solu said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Somehow the driver missed his podium call for his 'Darwin Award.'

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Cody Jarrett

· #9 · Apr 12, 2010

Newcop761 said:
I'm surprised by the comments. Sure there are a lot of idiots but there were quite a few reasonable people that saw the proximate cause of the deaths were the driver that stole the car, fled from the police, and ran out of talent. The blame can be shared by the two deceased teens that chose to jump in the car with their buddy. Sometimes experience is a cruel teacher. I hope somebody learns the lesson.

I predict a vehicular manslaughter plea with probation for the driver.

As unfortunate as this is I must agree with Newcop761. They made a choice to go for a joy ride in a stolen car and it cost them their lives. It's very sad on all sides.

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S.O.Interceptor

· #10 · Apr 12, 2010

"It's just a tragedy. There are so many lessons to be learned."

I do admit that it is a tragedy that the driver didn't die, and his passengers, who may not have wanted to run from the police and who may have genuinely been 100% innocent, did die. But I have a feeling that when she says there are "lessons to be learned", I have a sneaking suspicion that she is referring to the police not chasing criminals rather than teaching other kids not to break the law and then not to run if they do.

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Kadetklapp

Discussion Starter · #11 · Apr 12, 2010

S.O.Interceptor said:
I do admit that it is a tragedy that the driver didn't die, and his passengers, who may not have wanted to run from the police and who may have genuinely been 100% innocent, did die. But I have a feeling that when she says there are "lessons to be learned", I have a sneaking suspicion that she is referring to the police not chasing criminals rather than teaching other kids not to break the law and then not to run if they do.

+1000

By the way "Carmel" *car-ah-mellllllll
is a very affluent suburb of Indianapolis. Full of very wealthy folks who generally despise the police. I'm surprised it's this sedated thus far. There will be cries for blood, I am sure of it.

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RangemasterP226

· #12 · Apr 12, 2010

I don't see in the article where the media is blaming the cops....

-1 for a misleading title.

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Kadetklapp

Discussion Starter · #13 · Apr 12, 2010 (Edited)

RangemasterP226 said:
I don't see in the article where the media is blaming the cops....

-1 for a misleading title.

Waaa.

It does thicken in some other articles-

CARMEL -- Carmel police, fearing they will jeopardize their investigation, today said they won't provide any more information now about a crash that killed two boys Friday and left another in an Indianapolis hospital.

Jordan Moss and Jordan Poirier, 15-year-old freshmen at Carmel High School, died in the crash, and fellow students have been receiving counseling. Sunday, about 100 attended a vigil for the pair.
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The boys were passengers in a car that a Carmel police officer tried to stop for speeding Friday night near 126th Street and River Road. Police still have not not released the name of the driver, a 15-year-old classmate, and he remained in Methodist Hospital today. Hospital officials would not release the boy's condition.

Police Chief Michael Fogerty and public-information officers in the department have not responded to requests for information today.

Fogerty put out this statement, though, after 2 p.m.: "The Carmel Police Department has been receiving numerous media requests for additional information on the pursuit and fatal crash that occurred on April 9, 2010.

"As of today, the investigation is still on-going with no further information to release at this time. Investigators are continuing to follow up on several things that are needed to complete the investigation. Once the case is completed it will be sent to the Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office for review.

"When the Police Department has additional information that can be released without compromising the investigation, it will be sent out by the Public Information Officer to all of our media contacts.

"The Department is working diligently to complete this investigation and would like to thank you in advance for your patience."
An outstanding question for Carmel police is whether they are investigating their own officers who were involved in the chase or whether that duty has been assigned to another law enforcement agency such as the county sheriff or the state police. A spokesman for the Indiana State Police confirmed today it has not been asked to investigate.

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Morris

· #14 · Apr 12, 2010

If they despise their cops so much, wonder why they have their own cop shop?

Kadet, not disputing you as I started my career working for an equally affluent suburb in this area. My first day on the job, I was vigorously reminded that, "Remember who butters your bread" and "We don't ticket our own." I was glad and gone when the contract was up.

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SPDSNYPR

· #15 · Apr 12, 2010

RangemasterP226 said:
I don't see in the article where the media is blaming the cops....

-1 for a misleading title.

Sense of humor sale at Wal Mart. Prices good till Friday. Might want to stop by and try one on. :whistling:

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Gangrel

· #16 · Apr 12, 2010

There was only one somewhat-anti-cop statement, which Klapp highlighted. Lets not blow this out of proportion.

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FM12

· #17 · Apr 12, 2010

Nothing good to come from this, period. Move along people,nothing else to see.

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janice6

· #18 · Apr 12, 2010

I can't believe how many people think that when they get into the drivers seat, that they can out drive a cop that spends his career driving. Sad....

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FiremanMike

· #19 · Apr 12, 2010

Sorry, someone mentioned this car was stolen? The original article didn't mention that, can anyone verify?

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RangemasterP226

· #20 · Apr 13, 2010

SPDSNYPR said:
Sense of humor sale at Wal Mart. Prices good till Friday. Might want to stop by and try one on. :whistling:

I guess I'll have to check WalMart, cuz I didn't find anything about that article funny. And the title was purposly misleading to get people into this thread....hey it worked!

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