Can I "massage" the front sight on a Ruger Wrangler to get the windage a bit closer?

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  1. astepup

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    As some may know I recently picked up a bronze Wrangler that shoots a bit right of POA. I'm not too concerned with elevation but I don't like using "Kentucky windage" on anything. Not sure if I can or even should try to bend the sight to the right a bit to bring it closer to where I'd like it. I do have a pretty decent local gunsmith that can maybe do something with it but thought I'd ask here first. Feasible or am I asking for trouble?
     
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  3. MajorD

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    With old fixed sight single actions the best way is to tighten the barrel a bit further in the frame. One of the cowboy shooting books had a section on this. Not sure if the wrangler would hold up to this method
     
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  4. 4Rules

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    Anybody can find somebody willing to provide a massage; it's finding the massage with a 'happy ending' which might be a bit less common. We've all read (successful) stories about vises and lead pipes, to 'tweak' this or 'correct' that, and I once watched a guy do it. 'Tweak' it a tisch too far, however, and, well... you might wish you hadn't.
     
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    Besides the obvious 'make sure it's not you', I'd try ruger first before tweaking the front sight or tightening the bbl.
    They will issue you an RMA # and email a shipping label, then you FedEx it off to them.
     
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    I took a file with me to the range, sat up a target and filed a couple strokes at a time then shot it again until it was hitting where I wanted.
     
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    Does the Wrangler owners manual suggest any do it yourself sight adjustment?

    the Heritage Rough Rider manual states that minor tweaks in windage can be accomplished with minor and gentle tapping (bending) the front sight. I had to do this with one of mine; I’m not thrilled with the outcome, to get it on target the front sight is noticeably bent. Then I have another one that required nothing in terms of adjustment.
     
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    Have some other people shoot it to make sure it's not just how you're holding the gun, and then send it back to Ruger.
     
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    This ^^^
     
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  12. Bradley T

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    Me, I'd just "Kentucky" it a little. Different loads seem to move around to different p.o.i. anyway. Sending it to Ruger is a good idea, but I wouldn't bother with that unless I really had to. I wouldn't file on it or "clock" the barrel around in there either. I'd just live with it hitting right a little.
     
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    I recall a S&W armorer, back in the revolver days, telling me that S&W taught him, for fixed sight revolvers, you whack the barrel with a rubber hammer until it gets where you want it.
     
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    Advice to use hammers and wrenches on an alloy frame revolver seem a bit aggressive just to correct a bit of windage error.
    If you have one, use a frame rail file, and if you don't, make one by purchasing a 10 inch fine cut file from Home Depot or wherever. Use a Dremel with cut-off wheel and frequent quenching to smooth one edge of the file. The reason you want a larger file is to prevent flexing.
    Put tape on the barrel and if you're trying to move the impact to the left, file the left side of the front sight with the newly smoothed edge running across the tape. Ideally you would have the gun barrel held in a vice so you can view from above as you take material off. Before you start, use a dial caliper to record the front sight's thickness and check it frequently as you carefully make long strokes along the side.
    The idea is that as you remove material on the left side of the sight blade, when you center it in the rear groove, the muzzle will be slightly farther left, thus moving the impact left. You can also file the top of the front sight blade to bring the strike of the rounds up.

    Something to try BEFORE you go to work with tools: When you sight the gun, if there is enough light gap on either side of the front sight, apply a piece of blue painter's tape to the RIGHT side of the front side blade and check impact. Add another if needed until the gun is hitting dead on. Then you KNOW it's the sight and how to proceed for a more permanent fix.
     
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    Yes you can massage the front site.

    If my calculations are right (ok I used Dawson's Sight calculator) you have to move the front sight .007" to make a 1" change at 20 yards.

    If you are filing one side and still centering the front site in the groove I think you have to remove twice as much material.

    A hammer will work, but it's easy to over do it.
     
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    Mine is off just a bit too but my choice is to leave it since different ammo, velocities, bullet weights, distance can impact placement. Mostly though because I don't shoot it using the crude sights much rather just "point shooting" for fun. I have another Ruger 22 handgun for target. Different strokes -
     
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    That's the thing, too....different ammo can move around noticeably at longer ranges (20+yards). It might be worthwhile to try that first
     
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    The front sight is too narrow already, I will bend mine after I find which ammo it likes, it also shoots low so I'll file the front sight to correct it. I'm not sure Ruger would do anything about it. Sent a CMD back because it shot low, they told me they don't care if it shoots low. Haad them install a black front sight so I could file it down. Ruger is strange, some times they'll bend over backwards to help you, other times they don't care if you live or die.
     
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    I'm just thinking the process of filing through, the end result, even if your able to get the sight alignment you want will mean a thinner front sight, right? will this add to or decrease issues with sight alignment?

    based on the above questions and if the rear sight notch is big enough, I would try adding something to the side of the front blade making it thicker which should have an effect of POA/POI.

    in vafish's example, looks like a very small amount is needed, if it were me, I'd try a piece of black friction tape first, if you get the alignment your looking for, then come up with something more permanent, this way, if you do decide to use the file, you'll have an idea of how much to remove.
     
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    For a revolver, the standard way is to turn the barrel a tiny bit. If it shoots to the right, turn the barrel a bit to the right. Best have a gunsmith with the right tool for this job.