Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus Issues Statement on University of Alabama-

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  1. Moonfish

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    Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus Issues Statement on University of Alabama-Huntsville Shooting

    Mon Feb 15, 11:26 am ET

    CROTON FALLS, N.Y., Feb. 15 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Amy Bishop, a mother of four and a Harvard-educated biologist, used a handgun to fatally shoot three fellow biology professors and injure three others during a departmental staff meeting on the University of Alabama-Huntsville campus on Feb. 12. Bishop, the alleged shooter, was upset that she had been denied tenure by the university. No students were involved in the shooting.

    In response Andy Pelosi, the Director of the Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus, issued the following statement:

    "We offer our condolences to the families of the victims and the entire University of Alabama-Huntsville community.

    "This tragic incident shows once again that an angry individual with access to a deadly handgun can commit mass murder wherever people gather, in workplaces, shopping malls, churches, schools and yes, universities. This random and horrific attack also demonstrates the futility and irresponsibility of trying to force loaded and concealed handguns onto college campuses as the solution to prevent mass shootings and gun violence. Such a radical policy would risk the safety and security of every faculty member and student on campus on literally a continual basis.

    "The gun lobby's predictable response to this rampage killing is to arm students and professors, believing in a mistaken 'wild west' fantasy where carrying loaded handguns results in killing armed perpetrators. Nothing could be further from the truth. The gun lobby conveniently ignores incidents such as in Lakewood, Washington where on Nov. 29, 2009, a gunman massacred four police officers inside a coffee shop even though the officers had loaded handguns on their hips. But the officers were still surprised and overwhelmed by the attacker, Maurice Clemmons. Why does anyone think that untrained students or professors would be better able to stop a rampage shooting than trained security officers?

    "The Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus calls on lawmakers in states with pending 'guns on campus' bills to immediately withdraw such irresponsible and dangerous legislation.

    "In addition, the Campaign is urging colleges and universities to band together to oppose the gun lobby's agenda to force guns on college campuses. To date, more than 120 colleges and universities in 30 states, including the University of Alabama-Huntsville, have joined the campaign.

    (See list: http://preview.************/Guns-Off-Campus-List-Schools).

    "While school shootings such as the recent attack in Alabama receive a great deal of national attention, such incidents are extremely rare. The fact is that America's educational institutions are among the safest environments for students, faculty, and staff. Much safer than the communities that surround them. A Dept. of Justice study found that 93 percent of violence against students occurs off campus. This is due to the fact that nearly all colleges and universities have policies that prohibit firearms on campus."

    SOURCE Campaign to Keep Guns Off Campus
     
  2. beforeobamabans

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    :wow: Wow. The blind get blinder.
     

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    There are thousands of ccw permits in my little County alone. Yet there are no violent crimes committed by any ccw holders (that I can recall).
     
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    Eliminate everyone's ability to protect themselves because it fails to cater to your personal preference, wow great!

    So much for openmindedness in the world of academia. Oh wait, that's only within the apparatus of tolerance and preference.
     
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    Its obvious that the police can't even protect themselves with guns so they should not be allowed to carry them either! :upeyes:
     
  6. nmk

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    Logic fail.
     
  7. ithaca_deerslayer

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    Huh?

    If one of those murdered had been legally allowed to carry, they would have had a chance to stop the death toll.
     
  8. G26Okie

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    Have to definitely agree on that one. Their NO WEAPON policy really helped those in the Univ. of Alabama, and V. Tech, and Columbine.
     
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    #1glocker19 venivedivici

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    The biggest flaw in their reasoning is within the basic element of intent.

    They believe that guns will produce violent altercaitons, etc.

    The problem with this theory would only be verifiable if an intent existed prior to "guns" being pervasive on campus. I would go insofar as to query the amount of fistfights that occur annually. My guess, none.

    Guns cannot, will not, nor will ever produce intent. If students are not currently having raging brawls or knife fights on a regular basis then it is unreasonable to assume that the presence of guns would alter this environment.

    When emotions become involved everyone loses. All restrictive legislation typcially stems from distaste.
     
  10. ked

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    Dear Mr. Pelosi,

    How is that "No Weapon Policy" thingy working out for you and your collegues down there?:faint:

    ked:dunno:
     
  11. Glenn E. Meyer

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    Red herrings. It may be the case that you will be blitzed even if you carry, as happened to the officers. But one did manage to shoot the guy.

    However, if you weren't - one prof managed to get out and bar the door. Or if you were in another room and heard the uproar, you could react. Certainly, there have been shooters that went from location to location. Some attempted to bar the doors and were killed as that was unsuccessful. If they had the chance to defend themselves - it might have been different.

    However, I must opine - if you carry and proclaim you can save the day - it behooves you to get some training. While folks have been successful in defending themselves as novices, personally, since I carry - I train.
     
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    Thanks to those jerks the very incident turned out the way they did. We tried it their way, and this is what we got.