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California lawmakers weigh first statewide ban on lead ammo

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by HerrGlock, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. noway

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    is it me, or does anybody not buy this;

    Man that's a lot of lead and I wonder how less than 1% of the population can generate that much lead.
     

  2. RHVEtte

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    That's about 1100 No. 7 1/2 birdshot shells per acre. Somehow I doubt it's actually that many.
     
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    So lead bullets dissolve in a birds gullet?
     
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  4. Rabid Rabbit

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    They must have sampled the area populated by orange skeet.
     
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  5. cowboywannabe

    cowboywannabe you savvy?

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    yet it was an OLD bird that died.....wheres the mass deaths of other critters?
     
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    They have been trying to do this for years. The hunting lobby is a strong one. They are essentially trying to price hunters out of the hunting game. The only problem with that theory is that isn't not like hunters are blasting through hundreds of rounds a year.

    Trying to protect the condors is stupid. They have been at the verge of extintion for years. I remember in the 70s they started pumping a lot of money into trying to rebuild the population. To be honest what is really killing them is urban sprawl. Fifty years ago there were farm fields and vacant lands between San Jose and Santa Clara. Now most people don't even know that the Valley Fair mall is sitting on the border.
     
  7. fnfalman

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    Didn't the US Army recently gone to "green" ammo too?

    As far as trying to save the California Condor...why the hell not? Better spend money on saving the condor than on stupid craps like welfare. I saw a California Condor flying about three months ago. It was a sight to behold. Not majestic like an eagle but menacing like one of those Godzilla movies flying monster. It was awe inspiring.
     
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    It's all that ammo DHS has been buying up. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
  9. elsolo

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    They try a version of this every year.
    There is no science behind it, it is just another possible avenue for the anti-gun, anti-hunting, politicians from urban areas to push their ban agenda "for the condors"
     
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    Yup. But since when did actual factual information or science stop them from trying to pass all kinds of dumb legislation? The unfortunate part about all this is that there are millions of people out there who believe this load of crap whether it is lead from bullets poisoning condors or limiting magazine capacity and banning certain guns will save lives.
     
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    I read on Calguns that this is tried every year.

    I think all politicians should only go to work 2 weeks out of the year to come up with a budget and then go home with a full year's pay. I think we would be way ahead that way.
     
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    There is 'no science behind it' because it is not what you want to hear. Gut piles with lead are the problem and it is easily solved with solid copper bullets. This link has some good firing range footage/testing showing the difference between lead bullets & copper.


    http://watch.opb.org/video/2302231466/
     
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    They already mandated non-lead bullets for hunting years ago, didn't help.

    This is about banning virtually all shooting.
     
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    Only if you are paranoid
     
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    I used to shoot trap at a gun club in Turlock, CA. We shot into and over a pasture where cattle grazed. The lead pellets fell into the pasture. The cattle grazed in that pasture.

    I often wondered about that.
     
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    You've heard about Mad Cow Disease? Well, you're the origin of it :tongueout:
     
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    So, if they ban all that ammo, what will the CA cops use in the firearms?
     
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    Well, they already banned lead bullets in condor territory for hunting game.

    If you buy into the gut pile consumption theory, in combination with the effectiveness of banning certain ammo (which they did), then they should have stopped eating lead contaminated gut piles already.

    Somehow it didn't have the intended effect.
    Now they want to ban all lead ammo, everywhere.
    Explain how that will be more effective.
    Are poachers suddenly going to stop breaking more laws?

    They hate hunting here.
    They fired the head of fish and game for going hunting in Idaho, legally. They recently changed the name from fish and game to "wildlife and conservation", and the same politicians try several ammo ban avenues every year; but you are probably right, CA politicians don't want to ban guns or ammo, we are paranoid, it's all about saving the condor.
     
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    I refuse to believe that lead projectiles are a serious concern for carrion feeders.

    For waterfowl, the issue is real, because they feed off the bottom of the marsh, and in the process of ingesting the soft greens on the bottom, waterfowl ingest lead pellets, which are ground up in their gizzard.

    For carrion feeders, the ingestion process is different: they must actually ingest the piece of projectile in a mouthful of carrion, and that piece must contain lead (not just copper jacket.) The percentage of a "pile of carrion" that will contain a projectile is small, so the odds of any given mouthful containing lead is small.

    Furthermore, since MANY projectiles tend to pass through the game when shot, the actual chances of a given pile of carrion containing lead is small to begin with.

    Additionally, birds are not the only carrion feeders. There are plenty of insects and mammals that will take a free meal from a pile of carrion, and thus those animals reduce the chances of a carrion bird ingesting the lead, assuming the projectile actually stayed in the dead animal.

    Add to this the following--what percentage of carrion is actually created by hunting? There are PLENTY of natural deaths creating carrion that would lack the lead, and I suspect that percentage is MUCH higher than those animals take by hunters.

    In a nutshell, this whole lead ingestion by carrion feeders is a smokescreen by the leftists to increase the cost of hunting (and shooting) to lessen the appeal of the sport.
     
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