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CA: Proposal to ban lead shot for upland bird hunting

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  1. Smashy

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    SACRAMENTO — Ventura County Assemblyman Pedro Nava, who three years ago authored a landmark law that barred the use of lead bullets by those hunting deer in areas where condors are known to forage, introduced new legislation Wednesday that would ban the use of lead shot by those hunting pheasant, quail, doves and other birds in California wildlife areas.

    Nava said his measure is modeled after the long-standing federal ban on lead shot in the hunting of ducks, geese and other waterfowl. That ban was enacted in 1991.

    “It has demonstrably improved the health of waterfowl,” Nava said. “But there are 37 other species besides waterfowl that are also known to suffer from lead poisoning.”

    He cited golden eagles and wild turkeys as two examples.

    Nava, D-Santa Barbara, was joined at a Capitol news conference by representatives of the Audubon Society and Defenders of Wildlife.

    Dan Taylor of Audubon California said the state’s 627,000 acres of designated wildlife areas constitute some of the state’s most important wildlife habitats.

    “We remain very concerned that lead continues to be a threat to wildlife,” he said. “Our effort is to address an environmental poison. This is not an attack on or a threat to hunting.”

    When shots are fired, the pellets that don’t hit the target fall to the ground. The lead pellets can then be ingested by birds and other wildlife.

    Taylor said the wildlife areas provide some of the state’s best hunting and fishing opportunities, and protecting the wildlife in those areas will help ensure that those opportunities continue into the future.

    The proposal was assailed, however, by Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California, who said alternatives to lead shot are “two to three times more expensive.”

    Paredes said hunters stalking pheasant and quail use different ammunition, with smaller pellets, than that used by duck hunters, who must use nonlead shot that consists of larger pellets. “Pheasants are a completely different animal,” he said.

    The proposal also drew the ire of Senate Republican leader Dennis Hollingsworth, R-Murietta, an avid hunter.

    “The liberal majority is at it again, using their questionable science in an attempt to shut down sports hunting in California,” Hollingsworth said in a prepared statement.

    Paredes called Nava’s bill “a publicity stunt for his race for attorney general. He wants the radical environmentalists to be in his camp.”

    He noted that Nava, one of six Democrats seeking the nomination for attorney general, earlier this week received the endorsement of Sierra Club California.

    Among the arguments against the bill that banned the use of lead ammunition by deer hunters in condor territory was that such a law would discourage hunters. That law took effect in July 2008.

    Since then, Taylor said, the Department of Fish and Game has reported that compliance among deer hunters has been very high and there are preliminary indications that the level of lead poisoning detected in blood tests of California condors in Southern California has declined. He cautioned, however, that it too early to make a conclusion as to whether the ban has significantly helped to reduce the risk of lead poisoning among condors.


    http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/feb/24/lawmaker-introduces-rule-to-ban-lead-shot-in/
     
  2. AAshooter

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    The lead ban in the Condor range did not make scientific sense and neither does this. We need politicians to meet for half the year . . . then hopefully they would focus on the real problems rather than . . . let's say less effective legislation.
     

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    javelinadave Hebrew Hammer

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    As an outsider looking in at California I predict that the "Golden State Gun Owner" will be extinct very soon. California gun owners should be put on the California endangered species list soon.
    They keep passing stupid laws and their stupid governor keeps signing them.
     
  4. DR. HOUSE

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    nebraska already did this.

    reasoning

    Lead= lead poisioning
    steel= safe

    I really dont see the big deal here, it all kills the same.
     
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    See how they work. Small bites from the apple over and over again. Death from a thousand paper cuts. An incremental cancer.


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    Can you use lead shot for any hunting in Nebraska?
     
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    Texas has a system where the state legislation meets every two years for 140 days. Everything from the State Budget to new laws to revisions to repeals must be done in this time frame. It's hectic. Hell, sometimes it's hard to get legislation you WANT passed because of time constraints.

    I firmly believe this is a reason we don't have nearly the crap laws many states do, even with Austin being our capitol.
     
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    Sounds good to me.
     
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    Not sure where you get your info. Lead is legal for upland game in Nebraska. Certain areas may be steel shot only.
     
  10. DR. HOUSE

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    Just to clarify my statement.

    Lead shot is illegal for waterfoul hunting in nebraska.

    Though Id venture to say it wont be long before they start using steel for everything.

    Nontoxic Shot: ​
    It is unlawful to use or possess shotgun shells loaded with or containing shot other than nontoxic shot while hunting, taking or attempting to take waterfowl. Nontoxic shot is required for all shotgun hunting on federal
    waterfowl production areas and national wildlife refuges and, as posted, some state wildlife management areas.


    Legal Nontoxic Shot​
    Steel Iron-tungsten-nickel
    Coated Steel Tungsten-bronze
    Bismuth-tin Tungsten-tin-bismuth
    Tungsten-iron Tungsten-tin-nickel-iron
    Tungsten-polymer Tungsten-iron-copper-nickel
    Tungsten-matrix​
    For the latest legal shot types, check the waterfowl section at​
    OutdoorNebraska.org.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    right off of the nebraska game and parks website.
     
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    As of now, anything but waterfoul.

    Id bet that changes soon.
     
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    What does it hurt to use steel shot?

    As said before, It all kills the same.

    Bullet/ammo company's have made great improvements on non lead ammo.


    So why the big fuss?

    All their doing is trying to prevent poisioning in the animals and the people that may digest the lead.
     
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    He's a politician, he has to do something to show his constituents that he's not just resting on his laurels!
     
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    Just more "environmental" junk science being used to advance a Leftist agenda.

    They want to destroy the gun culture, so they go after the ammunition.
     
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    Yes because god forbid we use ammo that isnt toxic to animals and humans alike.
     
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    From a purely selfish view, it less expensive to shoot lead, it is more effective, easier to reload and causes less wear on the firearm.

    In the case of the Condors, as I recall the real issue is the ingestion of micro-trash from the environment. Lead poisoning is not a significant issue compared to that.

    I am not convinced there is substantial scientific evidence that shows the lead shot from upland game hunting is a real threat to the game in that area. Lead in that form is pretty stable.

    I suspect this is right up there with the "huge public safety threat" that people use to ban the use of non-hands-free cell phones . . . the data is just not supporting the pseudo-science.
     
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    yes, not this day in age, dont see how it would be any different, yes and lead is lead...................its toxic.

    Its like mercury, once its in your system its in your system.

    Lead has been proven to be harmful to humans and fatal in wounded animals.

    Guess I just dont see why people make a big hoot over something so trivial.

    Its not like you cant shoot your shotguns anymore............

    Hornady and Nosler have jumped on board with the non lead hunting bullet because they can see what is going to happen in the near future.

    The non lead bullets they manufacture are almost just as good as the lead ones and they will only get better.

    Whats wrong with a better living enviorment for our children, grand children and the wildlife? :dunno:
     
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    Steel shot does NOT kill as effectively as lead shot does. No where near as effectively. You need much more velocity for one thing, to get steel shot anywhere close to results comparable to lead shot.
     
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    It sound like you would be a supporter of banning lead in all bullets nationwide as well as the use of lead in primers. It would seem like the same logic applies.
     
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    People have used lead shot for hundreds of years, and now some people suddenly suspect it is THE cause of certain animals dying.

    There are fewer hunters in CA now compared to decades past, but there is now an increase in lead poisoning blamed on the pellets? Somebody might want to do a correlation and causation study before "shotgunning" some legislation through that has no evidence of being effective.

    Has anybody done a study to determine if eating tungsten and bismuth is harmless?