But don't you see? You're saying exactly what I've been saying all through this discussion! You have your way, we have ours. Neither is better or worse than the other. Our respective countries have developed in the ways which work best for them. The frustrating thing for me is to read on here (not from you Ektarr) that people who have no idea about life in the UK, our laws or the way we operate, have the audacity to say that our liberty will in someway be erroded because we do not have the right to have guns. That is what I was referring to as rubbish. I'm sorry but it is. The UK and the US have always been the strongest of Allies. When it comes to support and fighting together, the US has no closer friend than the UK. We have a long and happy history together, and long may it continue. As I have stated before, I love the US. I have family in Texas and I enjoy visiting them. I just wish some on this forum would stop having such a blinkered view on why the UK is like it is.