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Bringing knives on outings

Discussion in 'Band of Glockers' started by arzon, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. arzon

    arzon

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    Has anyone have any experiences bringing their high-end knives during outings?

    Baka mag out-of town kami ni misis (commute) and it will be necessary to pass the pier and board a banca/boat if ever.
     
  2. juramentado

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    Bring a folder,not a fixed blade. A folder is easier to explain than a fixed blade.

    Leave the expensive tacticool-teflon-black-finish-fighting-folder at home and take a folder you won't mind leaving behind if it gets confiscated. Cops are looking for guns and they would love to book you for illegal possession, during an election gun ban pa.

    I suggest you take a utility-looking folder, one that is easily explained as a tool and not a weapon. A leatherman or a SAK, or a folder with a blade less than 3 inches.

    If you're going to use it in a self-defense situation (which I hope you don't ever experience) it won't matter what the bad guy was stabbed with. He won't complain that he was stabbed by a CRKT rather than a Emerson. :)

    2 cents ko lang..
     

  3. arzon

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    I'm thinking of bringing along a Spyderco Endura (mine), Delica (wifey) both waved, and a Delica 1, all without serrations.
     
  4. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    this morning, i browsed the chan-robles law library and found the BP laws that prohibit us from carrying bladed and sharply pointed objects.

    i didn't find any law repealing those two laws
     
  5. charlie-xray

    charlie-xray Gunpowder Adik

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    kung wala sigurong boat ride or pier thingy baka, just remember may walk-thru metal detector sila at tiyak sigaw yun sa tactical knifey,

    I think it would be best to be inconspicous, ako aminado akong ginagawa ko na magsuot ng kupas na t-shirt at buyok buyok na sandals, so far never had any troubles.
     
  6. arzon

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    Ganyan din usually ginagawa ko, pero baka mas pagkamalan akong BG eh. One time, nakita sa x-ray yung telescopic baton ko (chinese made), tiningnan mabuti ng sikyo, buti na lang pinalusot.
     
  7. juramentado

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    Only two of you and you're bringing 3 knives?
     
  8. mikey177

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    Would you mind posting the text of those two pertinent laws here? I am just curious about how they are worded.
     
  9. mikey177

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    As they say in defensive circles, "Two is one and one is none." In this circumstance however, given the current gun ban and jumpiness of some authorities regarding terrorist threats, I'd also err on the side of caution and bring less "gear" that might be misinterpreted by the powers-that-be.

    Reminds me of the time my wife and I had to go to Cebu by plane, and all I had on my person was a Surefire E2e and an all-steel mini-tripod (for my camera, but it would make a good impact weapon in a pinch) in my carry-on luggage. In these cases, you make do with what you have, pray for safety, and exercise tons of prudence.
     
  10. juramentado

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    I'm 100% for self-defense,as long as its coupled with streets smarts and a lot of prevention and avoidance. I'm just wondering why someone needs two knives on them while on vacation. Unless of course its a romantic moonlight tour of some parts of Tondo :). Getting caught with a knife by cops is bad enough, having 2 on you will ruin your day.

    I've traveled all over this country, to NPA held areas pa. And all I had was a SAK, in a few instances an itak as well for clearing a trail. I've taken boat rides to the visayas and got down at the north harbor. I've never felt that I was in danger, enough to make me wish I had more than a SAK.

    Well to each is own naman eh. Everyone is free to bring what they feel they need on a trip :)
     
  11. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NO. 9 - DECLARING VIOLATIONS OF GENERAL ORDERS NO. 6 AND NO. 7 DATED SEPTEMBER 22, 1972 AND SEPTEMBER 23, 1972, RESPECTIVELY, TO BE UNLAWFUL AND PROVIDING PENALTIES THEREFOR






    WHEREAS, pursuant to Proclamation No. 1081 dated September 21, 1972, the Philippines has been placed under a state of martial law;

    WHEREAS, by virtue of said Proclamation No. 1081, General Order No. 6 dated September 22, 1972 and General Order No. 7 dated September 23, 1972, have been promulgated by me;

    WHEREAS, subversion, rebellion, insurrection, lawless violence, criminally, chaos and public disorder mentioned in the aforesaid Proclamation No. 1081 are committed and abetted by the use of firearms, explosives and other deadly weapons;

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, FERDINAND E. MARCOS, Commander-in-Chief of all the Armed Forces of the Philippines, in order to attain the desired result of the aforesaid Proclamation No. 1081 and General Orders Nos. 6 and 7, do hereby order and decree that:

    1. Any violation of the aforesaid General Orders Nos. 6 and 7 is unlawful and the violator shall, upon conviction suffer:

    (a) The mandatory penalty of death by a firing squad or electrocution as a military court/tribunal/commission may direct, if the firearm involved in the violation is unlicensed and is attended by assault upon, or resistance to persons in authority or their agents in the performance of their official functions resulting in death to said persons in authority or their agent; of if such unlicensed firearm is used in the commission of crimes against persons, property or chastity causing the death of the victim, or used in violation of any other General Orders and/or Letters of Instructions Promulgated under said Proclamation No. 1081;

    (b) The penalty of imprisonment ranging from twenty years to life imprisonment as a Military Court/Tribunal/Commission may direct, when the violation is not attended by any of the circumstances enumerated under the preceding paragraph;

    (c) The penalty provided for in the preceding paragraphs shall be imposed upon the owner, president, manager, members of the board of directors or other responsible officers of any public or private firms, companies, corporations or entities who shall wilfully or knowingly allow any of the firearms owned by such firm, company, corporation or entity concerned to be used in violation of said General Orders No. 6 and 7.

    2. It is unlawful to possess deadly weapons, including hand-grenades, rifle grenades and other explosives, including, but not limited to, "pill box bombs," "molotov cocktail bombs," "fire bombs," or other incendiary device consisting of any chemical, chemical compound, or detonating agents containing combustible units or other ingredients in such proportion, quantity, packing, or bottling that ignites by fire, by friction, by concussion, by percussion, or by detonation of all or part of the compound or mixture which may cause such a sudden generation of highly heated gases that the resultant gaseous pressures are capable of producing destructive effects on contiguous objects or of causing injury or death of a person; and any person convicted thereof shall be punished by imprisonment ranging from ten to fifteen years as a Military Court/Tribunal/Commission may direct.

    3. It is unlawful to carry outside of residence any bladed, pointed or blunt weapon such as "fanknife," "spear," "dagger," "bolo," "balisong," "barong," "kris," or club, except where such articles are being used as necessary tools or implements to earn a livelihood and while being sued in connection therewith; and any person found guilty thereof shall suffer the penalty of imprisonment ranging from five to ten years as a Military Court/Tribunal/Commission may direct.

    4. When the violation penalized in the preceding paragraphs 2 and 3 is committed during the commission of or for the purpose of committing, any other crime, the penalty shall be imposed upon the offender in its maximum extent, in addition to the penalty provided for the particular offenses committed or intended to be committed.

    Done in the City of Manila, this 2nd day of October, in the year of Our Lord, nineteen hundred and seventy-two.



    BATAS PAMBANSA BILANG 6
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    AN ACT REDUCING THE PENALTY FOR ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF BLADED, POINTED OR BLUNT WEAPONS, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES, AMENDING FOR THE PURPOSE PRESIDENTIAL DECREE NUMBERED NINE.
    .chan robles virtual law library
    .chan robles virtual law library
    Section 1. Paragraph three of Presidential Decree Numbered Nine is hereby amended to read as follows: .chan robles virtual law library
    "3. It is unlawful to carry outside of one's residence any bladed, pointed or blunt weapon such as "knife", "spear", "pana", "dagger", "bolo", "barong", "kris", or "chako", except where such articles are being used as necessary tools or implements to earn a livelihood or in pursuit of a lawful activity. Any person found guilty thereof shall suffer the penalty of imprisonment of not less than one month nor more than one year or a fine of not less than Two Hundred Pesos nor more than Two Thousand Pesos, or both such imprisonment and fine as the Court may direct.".chan robles virtual law library
    Sec. 2. Article twenty-two of the Revised Penal Code shall apply to persons previously convicted under paragraph three of Presidential Decree Numbered Nine..chan robles virtual law library
    Sec. 3. Any law or ordinance which is inconsistent herewith is hereby repealed..chan robles virtual law library

    Sec. 4. This Act shall take effect upon its approval..chan robles virtual law library
    Approved: November 21, 1978

    For more info, click the link

    ..
    chanrobles.com
     
  12. arzon

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    One is for purpose-all-around-use (Delica 1).

    I think I should just bring a Php200 SAK, baka mapaginitan rin kung Victorinox eh.

    9MX:

    If that law is not yet repealed, then how come there are city ordinances that bans carrying such items?
     
  13. krinkov

    krinkov Shutter Maniac

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    If that law is not yet repealed, then how come there are city ordinances that bans carrying such items? [/B][/QUOTE]

    You've answered your own question:hugs:
     
  14. arzon

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    But something is still missing. :pepper:
     
  15. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    said law was made under the provisions of proclamation no. 1081 aka martial law. since martial law was lifted even before the edsa revolution 1, therefore such law is already non-existent. the revised penal code (rpc) is now the reference tool defining a criminal act, and since there's no violation of law in rpc about bladed object therefore there's no criminal act in possessing such. yet there are some cities and municipalities that issued an ordinance against bladed and pointed object, the only city i heard so far is pasay city. the act would be violation of city/municipal ordinance with corresponding penalties. so far the only criminal act i know against bladed and pointed objects is when such were used in committing a crime.

    our BOG lawyers can comment on this, and help us to clear things.
     
  16. charlie-xray

    charlie-xray Gunpowder Adik

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    Coming from a LEO is good enough for me.
     
  17. Valor1

    Valor1 Range Bum

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    Yan nga ang medyo problema. there may or may not be a law on carrying of bladed weapons but for some, this is an invitation for some "kotong" cops. let's say you get arrested and get the services of a brilliant lawyer, pero andoon pa rin ang inconvenience and other expenses. wala pa dyan yung worries and sleepless nighs na kasama.

    If i were you, enjoy the vacation and leave those tactical thingamagigs in the house. carry a swiss army knife if you really can't resist.
     
  18. arzon

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    Thanks for the info. I think SAK will do for now. Kinda feel "naked" without my stuff eh. Tapos kasama ko pa si misis =) Natuto yun magdala due to some incident before eh.
     
  19. isuzu

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    The election gunban covers knives, too.:upeyes:
     
  20. saki1611

    saki1611 BOG's #1611

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    i dont think so unless the knife is intalled in the gun. :supergrin: